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[Loud Whispers]

Hey, neither 2 nor 1 were especially bad for American interests.

Yeah half the world becoming communist is a great success

[Helgoland]

Hey, what spills into Europe is Europe's problem. They're not going to be so screwed up that Russia can roll to the Rhine, so it's perfectly fine.

Thanks, man. Feels real good to know our buddies across the pond are watching our backs, and not just our electronic communications.

[Strife26]

Hey, what spills into Europe is Europe's problem. They're not going to be so screwed up that Russia can roll to the Rhine, so it's perfectly fine.

Thanks, man. Feels real good to know our buddies across the pond are watching our backs, and not just our electronic communications.

What? You'd rather we just stuck the bowie knife in blindly? :p


I kid, obviously. Reasonable support to NATO as per American responsibilities would obviously be reasonable, assuming that a hands off policy in the middle east resulted in serious European problems (which I kind of doubt, at least on the scale of regular problems that Europe faces because Europe).

Hey, neither 2 nor 1 were especially bad for American interests.

Yeah half the world becoming communist is a great success

Really more like a third. And it put another third firmly into the American camp, and moved the USA from a great power to a super power. Then a few short decades of ohgodpolandwe'resosorry later, and America is *the* super power. USA USA USA

[Helgoland]

Reasonable support to NATO as per American responsibilities would obviously be reasonable

Tautologically so, even

Really more like a third. And it put another third firmly into the American camp, and moved the USA from a great power to a super power. Then a few short decades of ohgodpolandwe'resosorry later, and America is *the* super power. USA USA USA

Still it's fairly easy to argue that a not-self-implodey Central Europe would've been even better, since instead of the superpower USSR as adversary you get the regional power USSR - similar to today's Russia - as main opponent and the various Central and Western European states as regional or local powers that are much easier to handle.

[Loud Whispers]

Really more like a third.

China man, China

And it put another third firmly into the American camp

USA, most trusted and beloved nation in the world

and moved the USA from a great power to a super power.
Then a few short decades of ohgodpolandwe'resosorry later, and America is *the* super power. USA USA USA

Crimea is still Russian, number of Chinese outposts in the disputed seas stopped: 0, number of guerilla wars lost: uncountable, American dreams dead: 1

You guys are so shit you can't even collapse western civilization right, we're going at double speed collapse no scope m8 step up your game

[Strife26]

Really more like a third.

China man, China

Okay, a third, eventually developing into a (1/3*2/3) 2/9th share of the world.

And it put another third firmly into the American camp

USA, most trusted and beloved nation in the world

and moved the USA from a great power to a super power.
Then a few short decades of ohgodpolandwe'resosorry later, and America is *the* super power. USA USA USA

Crimea is still Russian, number of Chinese outposts in the disputed seas stopped: 0, number of guerilla wars lost: uncountable, American dreams dead: 1

You guys are so shit you can't even collapse western civilization right, we're going at double speed collapse no scope m8 step up your game

We collapsed European civilization pretty damn effectively, thankyouverymuch. I mean, they're only trying to rebuild it now, and they're so goofy I need to stop and stare occasionally. And I'm a bloody American.

[Sheb]

That one assumes that the wave of destruction won't overflow into Europe proper and drag it down, as well, which is foolish considering recent refugee crisis.

In other words, it's a stupid short-sighted policy that is unworthy of being called "realpolitik". Kind of like that Libya adventure.

What else can we do though? I don't see how backing the Saudi isn't really any good.

[Strife26]

You're getting a wave of refugees and destruction no matter what Europe does. Throwing effort behind the Saudis isn't much going to change that, I'd say.

[Loud Whispers]

You're getting a wave of refugees and destruction no matter what Europe does.

Only so far as Europeans taking military action, this was all full retard from the EU from the start with the vast majority even now still immigrating from the entire rest of the world.

Throwing effort behind the Saudis isn't much going to change that, I'd say.

More salafist mosques for Germany lol

Meanwhilse ISIS in an attempt to spook gov spooks killed 5 innocent people they thought were informants for britgov. They're just getting sore anuses because their poorly hidden commanders have recently grown the habit of exploding
They're also threatening to invade the UK and rule by shariah to which I'd like to see them try

[MonkeyHead]

Meanwhilse ISIS in an attempt to spook gov spooks killed 5 innocent people they thought were informants for britgov. They're just getting sore anuses because their poorly hidden commanders have recently grown the habit of exploding
They're also threatening to invade the UK and rule by shariah to which I'd like to see them try

Something about this just smacks of desperate propaganda of the sort produced by a group trying literally anything to not end up irrelevant. I do not understand what it is trying to achieve. Yes, it gets them airtime, but is anyone going to be scared or shocked by IS acting in this way any more? It is not as if there is any credible threat in this to anyone. Possibly their brutality is now reaching the point where it working against them not only by making people want them eradicated, but by actually desensitising people to the murderporn they produce.

[Vilanat]

There was a rather interesting set of events in Daraa, Sheikh Al maskin as the Syrian army, Hezbollah and various Iraqi shia militias under the joint control of Syrian and Iranian officers have conquered parts of this little town which in itself has little importance but which leads to Al Sihailiah where it is said to host the biggest storage facilities of ammunition and weapons in the entire region. At first the Syrian-Iranian forces gained the upper hand with the help of Russian air strikes and managed to drive the various islamists factions out of most of the town, which in turn drove the islamists factions to unite, pour in numbers into the battlefield and manage to retake a lot of their lost neighbourhoods.

The interesting part, and its based on sources which have so far proven very knowledgeable but are not confirmed so take it with a pinch of salt (No citation to provide, sorry); The commanding HQ of the 5th division that is in charge of managing this campaign and which in theory is a joint force of Syrian and Iranian officers, is in reality totally controlled by the Iranians as they do not trust the Syrians to the point where they moderate them out of vital information. apparently, an argument in that HQ got so heated up that a Syrian officer shot to death an Iranian officer and in return got immediately executed by the Iranians, this got the Syrians pretty angry to the point where they are not willing to fight alongside the Iranians/Iraqis/Hezbollah in that campaign anymore. ever since that set of events, the rebels are getting the upper hand.

Whether that incident spills to the rest of Syria is yet to be seen, but this is not the first time i have seen reports that the Syrians are not too happy with their new Iranian overlords because, as opposed to the Russians which the Syrians greatly prefer and which are far more pragmatic and couldn't give a damn about the subtle differences between a various Islamic sect to another, the Iranians look down on the Alawites for being "lesser Shiites" and treat them accordingly.

[Morrigi]

Sounds like Russia's going to have to mediate and tell them to get their shit together.

[Strife26]

I can't help but have a little bit of schadenfreude at the Iranians getting to deal with green-on-blue incidents

[smjjames]

Sounds more like a green on green type incident, I think 'officer' in this case isn't a police officer, but rather, like NCO or army officer.

Excuse me if I just screwed up the rankings between branches.

[Strife26]

Well, I suppose from the American perspective it could maybe be called that both the Syrians and Iranians are friendly enough to be green.

In general, your friendly fire incidents are marked with blue being your own troops and green being the hypothetically friendly local forces. Green on blue is a really major concern in Afghanistan still, with people in Afghan uniforms opening fire on people.

http://www.duffelblog.com/2012/08/man-in-afghan-presidents-uniform-shoots-secretary-of-defense-in-latest-green-on-blue-attack/