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Author Topic: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.  (Read 208637 times)

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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #270 on: August 26, 2014, 02:04:53 pm »
Well, yea there are reasons why dictators like Saddam and Gaddafi managed to get where they were and survive for so long...

They played both the domestic and foreign situation well enough for their time.  It also leaves things in shambles for the successors who wish to change things.
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #271 on: August 31, 2014, 09:07:00 pm »
Welp, it's happening boys and girls. Germany is shipping munitions and humanitarian aid to Kurdish forces, including 8000 G36 rifles, 8000 G3 rifles, 200 Panzerfaust 3 rocket launchers, 30 MILAN anti-tank systems, and 5 Dingo IMVs. Personally, I believe giving arms to the Kurds will probably help them against ISIS, and probably isn't as bad an idea as giving guns to Al-Qaeda was. At the same time, I'm still a little worried about this whole affair, and how it could go wrong.
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« Reply #272 on: September 01, 2014, 01:56:49 am »
Eh, I'm cool with the Kurds. I mean, I'd rather not see a gigantic clusterfuck of a civil war set in the area, but the Persmegah have traditionally done just fine with Iraqi Kurdistan having semi-autonomy.
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« Reply #273 on: September 01, 2014, 04:31:07 am »
Yeah, the Kurds seems about the only nice people left in the area. Do you know which Kurdish faction is being funded? Iraqi Kurdistan I guess?
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #274 on: September 01, 2014, 04:33:45 am »
Can't we get a Kurdish dictator to rule over Iraq?

I bet that'll go smoothly :P
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« Reply #275 on: September 01, 2014, 04:41:54 am »
Part of the reasons the Kurds are doing well is that they're not interested in ruling Iraq, they just want to mind their own business.
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« Reply #276 on: September 02, 2014, 12:30:24 pm »
http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/02/world/meast/isis-american-journalist-sotloff/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

They just beheaded the second journalist and are still trying to intimidate the US. The only thing it'll do is make people want to eradicate ISIS even harder.
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #277 on: September 02, 2014, 12:35:08 pm »
And now, leaving a shitton of advanced military gear there as a "gift" to the Iraqi Army (and because it was cheaper than shipping it all home) is looking more and more like the worst Iraq-related decision since disbanding the Iraqi Army in the first place.  :(

I'm on the verge of saying we call ISIS's bluff and let them establish a Caliphate in their territory, so everyone can watch it lolfail as a workable system of governance in the 21st century.
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #278 on: September 02, 2014, 12:38:24 pm »
The problem is that it will only fail as a method help people being better off. As a method to extract funding from citizens for terrorist activity, it will be quite succesfull.
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« Reply #279 on: September 02, 2014, 12:42:16 pm »
That made my want to find out how the Taliban governed Afghanistan.

The Wikipedia page on them (pre US was and post seizing power, that is) is one big circle jerk about some Massoud guy, however.
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #280 on: September 02, 2014, 12:51:14 pm »
Quote from: RedKing on September 02, 2014, 12:35:08 pm
And now, leaving a shitton of advanced military gear there as a "gift" to the Iraqi Army (and because it was cheaper than shipping it all home) is looking more and more like the worst Iraq-related decision since disbanding the Iraqi Army in the first place.  :(

I'm on the verge of saying we call ISIS's bluff and let them establish a Caliphate in their territory, so everyone can watch it lolfail as a workable system of governance in the 21st century.
Authoritarian societies, coupled with modern social manipulation technologies via social networks and religious fervor, are incredibly resilient.

I found that many people here from democratic countries seriously underestimate the fragility of democracy and the power of authority, especially in Middle East.
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #281 on: September 02, 2014, 12:54:12 pm »
The other option is to let it form and then watch as it engages Iran in a fight to the death. Either way, we wind up with one threat neutralized and the other severely weakened. (yay realpolitik)
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« Reply #282 on: September 02, 2014, 03:11:12 pm »
Quote from: RedKing on September 02, 2014, 12:54:12 pm
The other option is to let it form and then watch as it engages Iran in a fight to the death. Either way, we wind up with one threat neutralized and the other severely weakened. (yay realpolitik)
Iran wasn't a threat in the first place until we fucked around with them.
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #283 on: September 02, 2014, 03:20:47 pm »
Quote from: Morrigi on September 02, 2014, 03:11:12 pm
Quote from: RedKing on September 02, 2014, 12:54:12 pm
The other option is to let it form and then watch as it engages Iran in a fight to the death. Either way, we wind up with one threat neutralized and the other severely weakened. (yay realpolitik)
Iran wasn't a threat in the first place until we fucked around with them.
Even more reason to stop fucking with ISIS then, wouldn't you say?
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #284 on: September 02, 2014, 03:25:43 pm »
Quote from: RedKing on September 02, 2014, 03:20:47 pm
Quote from: Morrigi on September 02, 2014, 03:11:12 pm
Quote from: RedKing on September 02, 2014, 12:54:12 pm
The other option is to let it form and then watch as it engages Iran in a fight to the death. Either way, we wind up with one threat neutralized and the other severely weakened. (yay realpolitik)
Iran wasn't a threat in the first place until we fucked around with them.
Even more reason to stop fucking with ISIS then, wouldn't you say?
What if they somehow manage to form a temporarily alliance "against the US" as their common enemy?
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