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Author Topic: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.  (Read 208640 times)

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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #240 on: August 25, 2014, 05:33:59 am »
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Because they can't jail people for their opinions.
They can shoot people on the streets for jaywalking...
theres already a police brutality paranoia thread
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=142812.0

edit: oh god whats wrong with me im telling people to go to one of the single topic threads why would i bring that on somebody
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #241 on: August 25, 2014, 06:01:31 am »
I think the actual reason is that they have a lot of legal muscle and know how to stay the right side of laws about libel, threats and harassment.
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #242 on: August 25, 2014, 06:34:14 am »
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/24/libya-capital-under-islamist-control-tripoli-airport-seized-operation-dawn

GJ Obama and Europe, buying into that "Arab Spring" nonsense.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/tunisia-crackdown-raises-fears-rights-rollback-25080401
"Tunisia was the only democracy to emerge from the Arab Spring uprisings, but the nation's battle against terrorism is raising fears that it might be returning to its old ways of political repression."
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« Reply #243 on: August 25, 2014, 06:40:07 am »
yep

this is why overthrowing secular dictators is a bad idea

of course, given that nobody gives a single shit about the consequences as long as "freedom and democracy" get spread around

so it's totally fine for radicals to take over right guys?
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #244 on: August 25, 2014, 04:16:39 pm »
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/26/world/africa/egypt-and-united-arab-emirates-said-to-have-secretly-carried-out-libya-airstrikes.html

Apparently Egypt and UAE are not too happy with the islamists funded by Qatar and Supported by Turkey in libya. The funny thing is that america is mad because "United States diplomats were fuming about the airstrikes, believing they could further inflame the Libyan conflict at a time when the United Nations and Western powers are seeking a peaceful resolution".

"Peaceful resolution" like the one i linked just earlier today?

I honestly cannot understand Obama's faith in the Muslim brotherhood. does he really think the hope of the arab people reside in radical religious groups? does he, perhaps, thinks that its their "natural" state to be living under radical islamic rules? that once they accept their destined religious rule, everything will fall into place?
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« Reply #245 on: August 25, 2014, 04:18:50 pm »
It is almost like he doesn't believe in waltzing into another country guns blazing, killing the governing power, and then replacing it with one that sides with the USA as the go to strategy.

But that would be insane!
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« Reply #246 on: August 25, 2014, 04:21:42 pm »
I could accept it, its just that, you know, he did just that in Libya.
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #247 on: August 25, 2014, 04:23:31 pm »
And it didn't turn out too well. Even at the heigh of European colonialism, the name of the game was always to use indigenous factions against each other. Going out all guns blazing across an ocean never turned out too well.
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #248 on: August 25, 2014, 04:29:46 pm »
Quote from: Phmcw on August 25, 2014, 04:23:31 pm
And it didn't turn out too well. Even at the heigh of European colonialism, the name of the game was always to use indigenous factions against each other. Going out all guns blazing across an ocean never turned out too well.

Which of course had the hilarious result of having those factions you supported turn against you in the long run.

The USA are masters at creating their future enemies.
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« Reply #249 on: August 25, 2014, 04:52:57 pm »
But this time, in libya, they supported their past and present enemies.
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #250 on: August 25, 2014, 05:33:14 pm »
Right, they should have helped out the famously non-terrorist Qadaffi
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« Reply #251 on: August 25, 2014, 06:07:22 pm »
Actually it looks like Egypt's military regime is going to intervene in Libya, which is kind of nice for Europe and the US, so they don't have to do it directly.
If one was a bit cynical, one would have to say that leaving genocidal maniacs like Saddam, Gaddafi or Assad in place results in less net deaths than removing them. Especially Gaddafi in his later days had some very nice arrangements in place with everybody, while an unstable Libya is a huge problem for Europe, because of all the refugees making it over the mediterranean sea. And Assad is a clever bastard, by leaving ISIS be for a long time, he now looks like a very viable alternative again and might ultimately even get support from the West again.
This is all pretty screwed up. But with a threat like the Islamic State, everything is relative.
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #252 on: August 25, 2014, 06:10:59 pm »
Quote from: Neonivek on August 25, 2014, 04:29:46 pm
The USA are masters at creating their future enemies.

And it's a very profitable skill they've mastered.
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #253 on: August 25, 2014, 06:18:06 pm »
Egypt will find itself in a pretty awful situation sooner or later.
ISIS on the east and something similar will rise in Lybia...eventually.

Also, Boko Haram. Far away and irrelevant for the mediterranean situation so far. But it's a third islamic caliphate throwing around alarming claims.
It surely is another source of refugees going to Lybia and to the sea.
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« Reply #254 on: August 25, 2014, 06:22:22 pm »
Isn't Egypt pretty much a super power compared to the rest of the middle east (well them and Iran) at least when it comes to military?
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