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Author Topic: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.  (Read 204159 times)

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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #165 on: August 21, 2014, 03:41:14 pm »
Yeah, there might be a bit of a long game here, see this.
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #166 on: August 21, 2014, 04:08:57 pm »
Quote from: DJ on August 21, 2014, 03:41:14 pm
Yeah, there might be a bit of a long game here, see this.

Interesting read. reminds me of the book "Wasp"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasp_(novel)

« Last Edit: August 22, 2014, 01:58:30 am by burningpet »
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« Reply #167 on: August 21, 2014, 05:20:29 pm »
Quote from: burningpet on August 21, 2014, 04:08:57 pm
Quote from: DJ on August 21, 2014, 03:41:14 pm
Yeah, there might be a bit of a long game here, see this.

Interesting read. reminds me of the book "Wasp"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasp_(novel)
Interesting read.
Also, part of your link is missing.
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #168 on: August 22, 2014, 02:37:20 am »
For some reason the board doesn't save the parentheses correctly.


I can't believe the Obama administration is downplaying the religion aspect that is behind ISIS, as if its not the same aspect that is behind hundreds of other, no better, terror organizations across the globe.

http://www.state.gov/secretary/remarks/2014/08/230772.htm
"Ugly, savage, inexplicable, nihilistic, and valueless evil. ISIL is the face of that evil, a threat to people who want to live in peace, and an ugly insult to the peaceful religion they violate every day with their barbarity."

"Peaceful religion" :D

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/state-dept-rejects-isils-claim-it-is-at-war-with-america/
"When a reporter said,"The reality is ISIS has announced it's in a war against America," adding, "Right or wrong that is what they are saying."
Harf replied, "Well they can say whatever they like. But what I am making clear that is not what ISIS represents and they don't represent any religion. "

No, i am pretty sure they represent a very specific religion in its most literal way.
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« Reply #169 on: August 22, 2014, 02:42:40 am »
The religion of violence?
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #170 on: August 22, 2014, 03:59:38 am »
I'm surprised you guys are worried about kurdistan the kurds.  They were doing fine, then suddenly developed a bad limp.  Then the germans pledge to throw a bunch of weapons at kurdistan to prop them up.

They are just sandbagging like israel did during the Yom Kippur war in order to get fancy gear before whipping IS shit and securing their borders.

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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #171 on: August 22, 2014, 04:13:11 am »
so, not america, but germany is going to make some actual moves

here's your "chipping in" i guess? to throw another line to a discussion had aeons ago

i'm actually fine with helping the kurds, even with a military deployment in the area, because hell this means two things

one we have independent kurds (a thing i don't really give a shit about, but it's better than the proposed alternatives)

two we have kurds that probably end up secular (fighting religious extremists does that to you most of the time)

three we have kurds that like europe (hella useful, can probably be used as heavy leverage on turkey)

four i can't count

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Quote from: QuakeIV on August 22, 2014, 03:59:38 am
They are just sandbagging

hardly matters, they're not going to get the levels of fancy shit iraq had because who sane would expect them to be able to use it without western training
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« Reply #172 on: August 22, 2014, 07:00:01 am »
four, we have a new ally in the area. Iraq as a whole had a lot of trouble policing its own territory , a friendly and independent kurdistan may be an useful thing to have.
(friendly specifically to europe)

By the way, Italy is sending weapons too.  I wonder if other european countries are, after EU gave the green light.

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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #173 on: August 22, 2014, 07:13:30 am »
France has spoken about offering arms to the Kurds too, and if some reports are to be believed, there are UK special forces (probably SAS/SBS) on the ground along with some US special forces, helping to co-ordinate air strikes.
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #174 on: August 22, 2014, 07:46:57 am »
Quote from: andrea on August 22, 2014, 07:00:01 am
four, we have a new ally in the area. Iraq as a whole had a lot of trouble policing its own territory , a friendly and independent kurdistan may be an useful thing to have.
(friendly specifically to europe)

Except, Turkey will likely never allow that.
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #175 on: August 22, 2014, 07:49:39 am »
Quote from: martinuzz on August 22, 2014, 07:46:57 am
Quote from: andrea on August 22, 2014, 07:00:01 am
four, we have a new ally in the area. Iraq as a whole had a lot of trouble policing its own territory , a friendly and independent kurdistan may be an useful thing to have.
(friendly specifically to europe)

Except, Turkey will likely never allow that.

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« Reply #176 on: August 22, 2014, 09:34:11 am »
Agreed. Its time for the west to fully realize Turkey is a human rights stomping dictatorship that also funds terror organizations which was a very big reason for the early success of ISIS (By allowing them free passage for people and equipment through their country) and act upon accordingly .
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #177 on: August 22, 2014, 10:08:18 am »
Unfortunately Turkey is a NATO member and thus gets a free pass on any crimes against humanity.
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #178 on: August 22, 2014, 12:21:48 pm »
Quote from: Sergarr on August 22, 2014, 10:08:18 am
Unfortunately Turkey is a NATO member and thus gets a free pass on any crimes against humanity.
You don't need to be a NATO member to get free passes on crimes against humanity.

It helps though.
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #179 on: August 22, 2014, 12:34:22 pm »
Even really radical Muslim leaders find the IS interpretation of Islam baffling for the most part, to suggest it's a literal version is absurd
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