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[Hellheart]

The descriptions on some of the spells - and I'm talking about between the game, the manual, dom4 inspector, AND Google search results - are frustratingly vague. I'm going to be testing some of them enough times to suss out the likely effects/formulas through the law of large numbers.

If you have the right setup it's not terribly difficult, although AFAICT I'll need to get the Debug mod for anything involving a lot of gems (eg, casting Transformation several hundred times with boosted 1N, 2N, 2N with max in another path, mixed paths if the last test shows a difference, and then with 9N). I can't see any way to add gems to commanders using the map commands.

[Shadowlord]

Casting any spell several hundred times sounds like an awful lot of effort. I don't think there's any way to do that easily or quickly, even with debug mod.

[Hellheart]

Casting any spell several hundred times sounds like an awful lot of effort. I don't think there's any way to do that easily or quickly, even with debug mod.

It's a lot of clicking to actually set up the rituals (had my first test run earlier today with 100 Apothecaries)...but then it's a matter of copying the save, ending the turn, then scumming the save. Recording is still annoying depending on how much detail I want, but I'm going to have at least 500 results for this bunch. Then I'm going to see if I can trash my Luck scale in the province for another 500 tests.

Switching mages is annoying, though, since the fastest way to do that is to adjust the #commander numbers and start a new game, which means I need to cast the 1 pearl Wish spell another 32 times and then choose Transformation for another 100 mages. I have 10 astral mages in there to speed up the Wishing, but you can't bulk-choose any ritual so the biggest time investment is that choice.

[Delta Foxtrot]

Transformation seems to be a bit bugged in the current version. I've heard it has crashed at least one llamaserver game. I wouldn't advise on casting it in MP just yet.

[Shadowlord]

So, AlStar, we've demolished your attacking armies over and over and over again, and now most of your mages in that army are dead as well. Are you ready to surrender yet?

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(Last turn (44) - because there was no attack this turn (45))


(That's only what was left after throwing his armies back into the meat grinder again and again (and etc) after each defeat cut them in half)

Aaaand send...

Not that I actually expect you to surrender just because you dashed your army to pieces against my capital's defenses... 

[AlStar]

Not to alarm anyone, but Tir wins this turn unless he loses a throne province or two.

Oh, and HA! Suck it, Ermor!

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[Hellheart]

R'lyeh, Tir just took the Throne province at 82 with his God. We can't really do much of anything to underwater provinces, so if you have a way to stop the whole winning thing by hitting one or more underwater thrones, or hitting a coast throne, that would help.

[Bluerobin]

I'm pretty sure I have less mobility than you guys do at this point. It takes me a turn to move each province and I only have 5 commanders that can even leave the water. Sailing or flying (with items) would be way more likely to actually do anything in time.

[Shadowlord]

Nice. Spammed to death by thousands of undead.

Well, you've won the battle, but it sounds like you may have lost the war! Good luck with that!

[DarkerDark]

R'lyeh, Tir just took the Throne province at 82 with his God. We can't really do much of anything to underwater provinces, so if you have a way to stop the whole winning thing by hitting one or more underwater thrones, or hitting a coast throne, that would help.

Relax guys, I'm just keeping the old thing warm until, you know, if the Pantokrator ever decides to come back, or something. Yeah.

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You can trust me guys, I'm Sidhe!

[Delta Foxtrot]

Bluerobin, if you insist on playing gimped UW nations in the future, you might want to take a look at this mod:
UW Expanded
As always, balance can be questioned but it tries to reasonably buff up the land-UW interactions and the worse aspects of UW nations.

[Bluerobin]

Oh, I'm not in any danger of losing the normal way, it's just my first time playing with thrones and the throne settings we have make for a short game. You guys would have a hard killing me before I start summoning mind bending terrors from beyond and teleporting behind your front lines to mass enslave.

Plus I'm kind of allied with the guy who's winning.

[tompliss]

Plus I'm kind of allied with the guy who's winning.

The First rule of Dominions is : "There is only one winner"

[Hellheart]

You two should take your turns so we can see if he manages to win 

[tompliss]

Well, tell that to my bosses
I'm home in 2 hours, and will send it earlier than usually