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[BlindKitty]

Heh, I think we should actually get a new topic for each of this scenarios, as this one is getting really messy, really quickly.

Also, I would say that Allies would have a pretty good chance against Soviets in 1945; there is a very good reason to believe that, and this reason is the fact that Stalin didn't attack them. He wanted communism to spread to all corners of the world; only superior military could stop him from doing that. And as he didn't sweep down on West in 1945... Well, at least in his mind Soviets didn't have enough of an advantage.
All that said, we need to take into account that Western Allies had some pretty damn impressive generals. Soviets had Zhukov, who was as incompetent as it gets...

[MonkeyHead]

Okay, another interesting possible topic is, what would have happened if the Normans were defeated at Hasting.

Interesting. Probably no Great Britain nor Empire, and as a result no USA in the way we would identify it. A non unified and probably infighting British Isles would have been a tempting cherry for any of the early middle age powers.

[mainiac]

Dont often hear people describe Zhukov as incompetent.

[Loud Whispers]

Heh, I think we should actually get a new topic for each of this scenarios, as this one is getting really messy, really quickly.

Scenarios come and go and multiple threads clutter and fight one another across all theatres of board operation until only one thread yet remains, subjecting all others to its unending hegemony in the top spot above a sea of emotion megathreads.

Also, I would say that Allies would have a pretty good chance against Soviets in 1945; there is a very good reason to believe that, and this reason is the fact that Stalin didn't attack them. He wanted communism to spread to all corners of the world; only superior military could stop him from doing that. And as he didn't sweep down on West in 1945... Well, at least in his mind Soviets didn't have enough of an advantage.
All that said, we need to take into account that Western Allies had some pretty damn impressive generals. Soviets had Zhukov, who was as incompetent as it gets...

One of the most successful generals in WWII was incompetent?

Okay, another interesting possible topic is, what would have happened if the Normans were defeated at Hasting.

Interesting. Probably no Great Britain nor Empire, and as a result no USA in the way we would identify it. A non unified and probably infighting British Isles would have been a tempting cherry for any of the early middle age powers.

Also the British Isles would look decidedly more Scandinavian and the Byzantine Empire wouldn't get to make its extensive use of the Varangian Guard as the English would not have felt the same need to flee.

[MonkeyHead]

Heh, I think we should actually get a new topic for each of this scenarios, as this one is getting really messy, really quickly.

Scenarios come and go and multiple threads clutter and fight one another across all theatres of board operation until only one thread yet remains, subjecting all others to its unending hegemony in the top spot above a sea of emotion megathreads.

Also, I would say that Allies would have a pretty good chance against Soviets in 1945; there is a very good reason to believe that, and this reason is the fact that Stalin didn't attack them. He wanted communism to spread to all corners of the world; only superior military could stop him from doing that. And as he didn't sweep down on West in 1945... Well, at least in his mind Soviets didn't have enough of an advantage.
All that said, we need to take into account that Western Allies had some pretty damn impressive generals. Soviets had Zhukov, who was as incompetent as it gets...

One of the most successful generals in WWII was incompetent?

Okay, another interesting possible topic is, what would have happened if the Normans were defeated at Hasting.

Interesting. Probably no Great Britain nor Empire, and as a result no USA in the way we would identify it. A non unified and probably infighting British Isles would have been a tempting cherry for any of the early middle age powers.

Also the British Isles would look decidedly more Scandinavian and the Byzantine Empire wouldn't get to make its extensive use of the Varangian Guard as the English would not have felt the same need to flee.

Scandanavian, Germanic or Celtic, depending on who was left standing after the repeated infighting.

[Guardian G.I.]

Dont often hear people describe Zhukov as incompetent.

Zhukov did made some colossal failures during WW2. I wouldn't dismiss him or anyone else in the Red Army as woefully incompetent at the end of the war, though.

[Elfeater]

What about the development of Ireland without Britain interfering? Would we see them grow to be a powerful nation of some sort? Or would they be riddled by infighting like England, Scotland, and Wales?

[MonkeyHead]

What about the development of Ireland without Britain interfering? Would we see them grow to be a powerful nation of some sort? Or would they be riddled by infighting like England, Scotland, and Wales?

The Irish provinces were just as infighty as the Scots, Welsh and Anglos.

[Elfeater]

Yeah, that's true, but would one of them come out dominant without the influence of a strong nation interfering? or would other nations take actions to move into Ireland and stake a claim? France perhaps? Without England's strong navy to stand against them they would have an easier time claiming the seas.

[Loud Whispers]

Yeah, then they'd have to contend with the Dutch, Spanish and Portuguese. America would also be French.

[mainiac]

Clearly, with the British out of the way, Courland would have colonized the New World.

[MonkeyHead]

Yeah, then they'd have to contend with the Dutch, Spanish and Portuguese. America would also be French.

I suspect the Spanish influence on the USA would also be far more significant.

[Loud Whispers]

Yeah, then they'd have to contend with the Dutch, Spanish and Portuguese. America would also be French.

I suspect the Spanish influence on the USA would also be far more significant.

And when no one's watching the Icelandic Empire pulls the rug out from Europe.

[MonkeyHead]

Hmm. I could see the British Isles becoming part of the Kalmar Union in the absence of a Norman influence, and a very Scandinavian US as a result, too.

[Fniff]

I secretly want a dominant Ireland (Irish here), but I recognize that reality does not equal Crusader Kings 2.