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Dyret

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Obsidian Swords
« on: August 01, 2014, 04:57:39 pm »

Just how good are they now? My dwarves seem to favor them over even high tier stuff like bronze, and I'm not sure if it's a good thing or I need to chuck them down the volcano.
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Re: Obsidian Swords
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2014, 06:26:44 pm »

the only thing better than obsidian (sharpness, not durability) is adamantine/steel
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Re: Obsidian Swords
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2014, 06:30:25 pm »

http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Obsidian

My experience with obsidian matches this page.  Its inferior to metal weapons.  Ahh, in the new version it seems they are better than they were, but are they better than iron?
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Re: Obsidian Swords
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2014, 06:40:40 pm »

   (*) Fixed material values for obsidian (UristDaVinci)

Grab some and kill some wildlife, tell us how it goes?
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Re: Obsidian Swords
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2014, 07:08:58 pm »

   (*) Fixed material values for obsidian (UristDaVinci)

Grab some and kill some wildlife, tell us how it goes?

All my current wildlife is bugged out birds, so it's not really an option, but from my experiences with early werecreatures and berserk dwarfs, they are at least on par with iron and bronze against flesh, but I can't imagine they'll be as good against armoured enemies and non-organics, which is why them being chosen over bronze gear by default is a tad troubling.
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Re: Obsidian Swords
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2014, 07:16:03 pm »

Are they a higher manufacture quality than your metal swords? That may be why they're choosing them.
I always assign specific items to my squads rather than uniforms, you might want to try that. It's a bit tedious but they always equip what I want them to.
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Re: Obsidian Swords
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2014, 07:41:46 pm »

Given a free choice, squad positions choose weapons and armor based on trade value, not battle effectiveness.  (There's no clear metric for the latter.)
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Re: Obsidian Swords
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2014, 07:53:28 pm »

Obsidian swords are better than wood/bone, just slightly better than glass (almost the same), and worse than any vanilla combat metal. Excellent against flesh, leather, clothing. Sucks hard against all vanilla armor metals (just like glass!)

Use them as starter weapons, traps, trade goods. At least they work now, as opposed to just bruising people.

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the only thing better than obsidian (sharpness, not durability) is adamantine/steel
FYI the SHEAR values matter more than the MAX_EDGE

Given a free choice, squad positions choose weapons and armor based on trade value, not battle effectiveness.  (There's no clear metric for the latter.)

Obsidian's high value for a layer stone is problematic here. Perhaps people should assign weapons made of a specific metal to their soldiers?
« Last Edit: August 01, 2014, 07:55:52 pm by Urist Da Vinci »
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Re: Obsidian Swords
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2014, 08:13:47 pm »

Or we could go full aztec on those gobbos, they often dont wear full armor, so chippity-choppity on their limbs.

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Re: Obsidian Swords
« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2014, 10:31:46 pm »

Or we could go full aztec on those gobbos, they often dont wear full armor, so chippity-choppity on their limbs.

I second this notion.
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Besides, even if it fails, you can always fall back to magma.
In all seriousness, I feel that obsidian swords would make a decent weapon for civilian dwarves if when it hits the fan and you need emergency troops. Obsidian can be mass produced, so equipping a fort with masterwork obsidian swords shouldn't be too difficult.
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Re: Obsidian Swords
« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2014, 01:32:45 am »

Can someone watch this and tell me if the obsidian goes through steel?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjV7lYP6hRw

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Re: Obsidian Swords
« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2014, 02:34:47 am »

Can someone watch this and tell me if the obsidian goes through steel?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjV7lYP6hRw
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Re: Obsidian Swords
« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2014, 03:53:38 am »

Thanks Bumber
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Re: Obsidian Swords
« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2014, 06:40:54 am »

But then they prove the point on gobbos not wearing full armor... By hitting the dummy in the face
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Re: Obsidian Swords
« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2014, 07:02:12 am »

All my current wildlife is bugged out birds

You can fix that by editing the save raws. remove all [FLIER] tags from non-vermin type creatures.
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