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Author Topic: Why won't he die? V.4  (Read 2992 times)

random_odd_guy

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Re: Why won't he die? V.4
« Reply #15 on: July 31, 2014, 10:49:26 pm »

I suspect it may have had something to do with your weapon of choice being a dagger.
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Re: Why won't he die? V.4
« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2014, 12:30:45 am »

Well I am a primary bow user. I plugged him full of holes first.
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Re: Why won't he die? V.4
« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2014, 12:57:46 am »

I guess bows ain't what they used to be. I can attest that my targets aren't nearly so invincible when i'm using a sword. or my fists.
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Re: Why won't he die? V.4
« Reply #18 on: August 01, 2014, 01:52:36 am »

Maybe you should have tried choking him?

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« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2014, 02:24:32 am »

Or slicing his abdomen open. Or slashing his hands and feet off with the dagger...
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Re: Why won't he die? V.4
« Reply #20 on: August 01, 2014, 06:00:54 am »

The damage system is rather odd right now. 
I tried to kill things by cutting the upper body with a candy long sword adn the *eventually* bleed out.
Though my fists are much deadlier, two or three punches to the upper body and it collapses.
Then again cutting off the head works fine if the enemy is small enough.
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Re: Why won't he die? V.4
« Reply #21 on: August 01, 2014, 06:58:09 am »

Why would you use slash damage on the upper body? that's literally the only thing you CAN'T cut off.
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Re: Why won't he die? V.4
« Reply #22 on: August 01, 2014, 07:40:48 am »

Well, he's pale already, so he's getting there. My advice is slicing the throat... it's a guaranteed kill on everything I believe.
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« Reply #23 on: August 01, 2014, 11:56:17 am »

Maybe you should have tried choking him?
Tried that... for a while  :(

Or slicing his abdomen open. Or slashing his hands and feet off with the dagger...
Tried that. As you can see, his guts are out.

Well, he's pale already, so he's getting there. My advice is slicing the throat... it's a guaranteed kill on everything I believe.
This might be the answer. I did not realize you could specifically target the throat(not neck).

Is there variability in NPC toughness?
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RealFear

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Re: Why won't he die? V.4
« Reply #24 on: August 01, 2014, 02:25:14 pm »

I think people are much hardier due to Toady putting pack 40d style pulpings and they're not registering correctly or overstating the damage. I cleave someones neck asunder and their still kicking and don't even bleed out. In the past version that would have been fatal.  Also, smashing someone in the head seems a lot less fatal even at higher combat levels. I'm not sure if this is intentional or not.
The "neck" is a new part, and I think it still has a few kinks to it. In previous versions, you had the throat, which currently is not appropriately related to the neck.


Though onto the main topic, if you kept auto attacking him, your character should've eventually pulped his head, I'm assuming your trying to do what you'd do in .34, and keep using aimed attacks to try to kill him. That still works in .40 just fine, but everybody is a bit more durable (in fact silver weapons are completely fucking useless now as a cutting weapon, used to be able to get by with silver in .34).
If you have a unconscious enemy, and can't sever him, just hold down a direction to auto-attack him until his sprite is a corpse.
So, yeah, while people aren't as fragile, the pulping thing lets everybody EVENTUALLY kill anybody else if they're persistent enough.
« Last Edit: August 02, 2014, 05:30:12 pm by RealFear »
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Re: Why won't he die? V.4
« Reply #25 on: August 01, 2014, 03:15:25 pm »

Maybe you should have tried choking him?
Tried that... for a while  :(

Or slicing his abdomen open. Or slashing his hands and feet off with the dagger...
Tried that. As you can see, his guts are out.

Well, he's pale already, so he's getting there. My advice is slicing the throat... it's a guaranteed kill on everything I believe.
This might be the answer. I did not realize you could specifically target the throat(not neck).

Is there variability in NPC toughness?

target guts>bite>wrestle>shake>drop guts from mouth>pick up>strangle with own intestines
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Re: Why won't he die? V.4
« Reply #26 on: August 01, 2014, 03:17:51 pm »

If there's one thing I noticed is that a "neck" slice will always(or often) succumb your foes instantly while they give in to pain.
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Re: Why won't he die? V.4
« Reply #27 on: August 01, 2014, 05:47:53 pm »

Seems odd. I've seen opponents bleed out. Haven't had that issue with combat. Now, getting companions to rearrange their inventories is something that just won't happen for some reason in 40.04 or 40.05 for me.
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« Reply #28 on: August 01, 2014, 06:11:59 pm »

If there's one thing I noticed is that a "neck" slice will always(or often) succumb your foes instantly while they give in to pain.

Did not work. Kept severing tendons and arteries but he just kept living.
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« Reply #29 on: August 01, 2014, 07:17:44 pm »

Strangling incapacitated things is usually the best way to kill them, although this is a bit problematic for larger things.
Fortunately cutting their throats with a big, slashy thing usually results in cutting a major artery so that they die a horribly bloody death.
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