Cheeetar:The unfortunate part of us lynching him if he ever turns out to be unhelpful? We'll need to do it twice, and even then we won't have killed a scum. If he chooses to do so, he can give the scum two nights of complete immunity to town, in which they may do as they wish. This would be really bad, and we need to lower the chances of it happening. To those saying 'what if scum then nightkill him?'- in that case, he couldn't lock down scum anyway and all we've lost is a third party aka somebody who has no motive to help town win.
But why would he? It'd be painting a giant target on his chest in a game with a lot of unpredictable shenanigans.
And I'd like to reiterate that "cannot stop all NKs forever" is not the same as "useless." Again, recall the counter to Goddess- scum revives, ability steals, and a 50% town kill magnet. That didn't mean the ability was worthless or didn't affect scum, it just meant it had a counter.
MBP:I don't remember the context forthe fancy stuff. I don't really intend to go reread what i wrote when i was mad as hell, not good for my soul . My reasoning for the vote will follow in the other posts.
Fair enough, though this is in line with my interpretation that you seemed to be panicking at this whole situation.
Because as a scum they should be immune by default. If so, they can continue NKilling while inconveniencing town. The combo also falls since they can simply kill NQH/Toaster and get rid of it. Then again, they can let it go,since it impact town and not themselves
If it's a town ability, then scum is affected by it, and NQH/Toaster can lockdown. Scum only chance lay in lynching NQT/Toaster, which is unlikely, since he can just come out if his head is on the chopping block.
What? Why would scum be immune to it by default? It sounds like you're saying that this combo shouldn't affect scum at all and is therefore reasonable but harmful as a town ability.
For the second part, did you see the role I linked? Do you have an explanation for why that could be perfectly balanced but this couldn't, beyond what you've said above about it not affecting scum in the first place? And in the same vein, what about the severe targeting restriction countered by a town auto ability?
Finally, why would it be alright if scum got to use the combo but not alright if town did?
Because Toaster is a 3rd party, not town. Shit like that happen.
Third parties cause us to give scum 2-3 favorable lynches?
I don,t really understand what you are talkign about here. I didn't speak about a miller in this game.
Yeah you have. You're calling Tiruin scum. Tiruin, who had her Miller ability removed by confirmed-town Persus.
You're saying a Miller is scum.
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