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[Jack A T]

Jack: so it is you who take my power? Anyway back to the point, as i have answer the rvs about one shot, it is really hard for me to decide to use it so i just let it go. What are you planning to do with that power?

Varee: I do not have your power, but I am the one who forced you to give it away.  Tiruin is supposed to have your power, but she claims that she doesn't have it.  This is a problem.

Basically, I have a power that forces one player to hand a power of their choice over to another player.  The first doesn't know where the power's going, and the second doesn't know where the power came from.
On panicklocking: Something's clearly wrong here.  We have what appears to be a game-breaking set of powers (most notably Tiruin's mass panic and NQT/Toaster's probability control).  I've figured out how these powers, if no counter exists, could be used with my own power transfer power and a single cop to slowly catch every inspection-vulnerable scum:

Spoiler: Slow, painful, boring, effective game-breaking! (click to show/hide)

No lynch today.  Toaster proves he can control all panicking N3.  Day 4, we massclaim.  No lynch, but a single cop claimer (TolyK claimed cop already, I will note) is allowed by Toaster to take actions each night.  Over time, the cop claimer gets results on everybody as we no lynch and panicklock our way through the game.  Once cop is finished, Toaster locks the cop and unlocks me and I make the cop claimer transfer their power to another player.  If cop claimer is said to have transferred anything else, lynch them.  If cop claimer had transferred the cop power (flips town without cop power), we lynch the person who received the cop power.

If no transferral silliness happens, the new cop inspects everyone.  Repeat process until absolutely sure inspects are consistent.  Lynch all who were found consistently to be scum.  Lynch all who got inspect results inconsistent with the resulting flips.

If someone is nightkilled, lynch the unlocked.

This would take ages, and be incredibly dull, but it would be effective.

Heck, if we have multiple cop claimers, the transfer is less necessary and we just have one cop at a time investigating everyone, with each cop going through all players.  Possibly with power transfer if it would be useful.

The problem here, as Urist Imiknorris noted, is that Webadict is careful to avoid stuff like this.  Especially when it is as obvious as the probability control/mass panic combo.  I believe that there is something that will counter this apparent combo, and that that counter is in anti-town hands.

[Jack A T]

EBWOP: That counter may be Tiruin being scum and scum not being effected.  It may instead be someone with a power that screws up power gains/losses, or someone with immunity to the issues panic causes.  Whatever it is, there is a counter out there.

Varee and Tiruin's claims regarding my power transfer are evidence of this, I think.  Either someone's lying, or something screwed up the transfer.

[Toaster]

MBP (and anyone else who asked me the same thing):

Does your ''decide luck'' thing allow you to both increase the chance to 100% and Keep it going at the same time ?If yes that would be very, strong. Also, does it affect only you ? Could use it to look for kill abilities. I doubt it, but never hurt to ask.

I have clarifications out to WUBA WUBA WUBA right now.


Varee:  Does it specifically say that the target of your house gains a RANDOM ability?  Specifically includes that exact word?



UI is totally correct that Web has counters to everything planned out.  I'm sure some anti-town has the ability to ignore the panic (or that anti-town sourced it; I'm almost positive Tiruin isn't Mafia, but SK isn't totally ruled out.  I doubt it though) or bypass it in some other way.  Anyway, we'll see what Web says about clarification.

[Silthuri]

Varee:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I accept that I am lazy but I just believe that pressing case is not the best way for me to gain info right now.

Then what, exactly is the best way to get info?

Slithuri

You're attacked for not voting anyone so you FoS me? Why didn't you just vote me? Why did you choose me if I'm no more suspicious to you than anyone else?

For all you know i could have been causing distraction and trying to get something to happen so why dont you just ignore me.......

I'm not sure what to think of this. I don't know if you're playing mind games again or if you're trying to seem inconspicuous. You're acting very oddly. I've played in two games with you and you're behaving rather oddly in this one. I can't quite explain it, but something's up.

So Look like i wont learn anything about my power today eithier. the houseowner came to an early demise ...
There not only Death power theft, one of my power was stolen too so there someone that can take people power out there.
Hey and both people that is trying to get me lynch is dead yeah!
Wait wait dont point fingers yet. thoses two dont only suspect em but they are one that push thoses who are less than active.
Enough nonsense !

@ bold bits: What are you trying to do here? You're drawing unnecessary attention to yourself by making little comments. Then you're throwing the suspicion on the other "less than active" players and trying to divert from you. I don't understand the point of any part of what you said in the above quote.

Reads are rather hard. I am not comfortable with doing them. I can talk about my power loss though. It a oneshot kill that ignore protect. it was stolen last night.

That's no excuse not to do reads. You keep finding excuses not to scum hunt. I'm not inclined to believe you ever even had the kill. And if you did, how did the kill fit in with you "building houses" power? How does the kill and the alleged building of houses relate to your role?

On the other note, Mr President. I am interested by you "Pardon" and wondering what exactly is it. It seem to be somesort of day power but are you willing to share that information?

Funny how you never pointed this out until Nerjin started coming after you...

There atleast three other people that is even less active than me and that dosent make them any less likely to be a scum so why dont those that is voting me try get some useful info out of wolf or scripten. Heck even tirurin can be in league with tolyk to make up the roose about miller claim.

Now your encouraging everyone else to go after the less active people and leave you alone. You're trying to point people in a direction in which they're refusing to go. You just seem to be trying to push the suspicion elsewhere.

Me and myself. I understand that i dont do much right now but am still buffing people every night. That might not be very beneficial, in fact it wont change at all as my auto willbe redacted upon death. Let me just full claim right now seeing that people dont really care to change their mind right now. The auto is random and i can take a free action to target it. The power i have been using nightly is a protect. On flabort n 1 and tolk n2.

@bold: I always thought people only got to use one action a night. Has my world been a lie?

1. I am not doing any less hunting than slithuri or wolf. 2.It might be ture that I offer more than just your typical scum hunting question but I will say that they are my point of view. 3. I dont see harm in offering alternate perspective, why should all the people focus on a single entity that is most like to be lynch anyway. Boarden your vision a bit wont hurt you. while it is less focus, in the end that might win you the game.
It just not i dont want to give read, it is just too much for me to handle.4. I tried to not get involve and people keep making me get involve and now when i tried get involve people say I am distracting/annoying. you guys are sure hard to please.

1. You... sort of are. You hadn't even voted until recently. I posted a nice sized post on why I thought Flabort was scum. 4mask, I believe has contributed more than I.
2."Offer more tan your typical scum hunting question?" Explain what you mean please.
3. This is a decent point. Except your alternate perspective seems to be: "LOOK AT THE LURKERS!"
4. People want you to actively hunt. Just getting in here and talking about you powers isn't helping. Question and pressure other people. Don't just sit there consumed by yourself.

I may have missed some things because my main focus, due to lack of time, was Varee due to suspicions I had earlier.

[Tiruin]

UI is totally correct that Web has counters to everything planned out.  I'm sure some anti-town has the ability to ignore the panic (or that anti-town sourced it; I'm almost positive Tiruin isn't Mafia, but SK isn't totally ruled out.  I doubt it though) or bypass it in some other way.  Anyway, we'll see what Web says about clarification.

Note: If I'm the SK--that means (and in truth giving an SK a Miller ability is an -_-) I'm lacking an Auto.

General Query: I've browsed the many reads on me and they pertain solely to the D1 miller fiasco, and Persus13.

Then looking at now, is the whole basis of judgement (alignment) on me based purely on...the degree of perceived 'power' of my...um, power?
Because it can pretty much ONLY work if there's 13 people. As in, if the # of people are above or below 13, I can't activate it.

EBWOP: That counter may be Tiruin being scum and scum not being effected.  It may instead be someone with a power that screws up power gains/losses, or someone with immunity to the issues panic causes.  Whatever it is, there is a counter out there.

Varee and Tiruin's claims regarding my power transfer are evidence of this, I think.  Either someone's lying, or something screwed up the transfer.

Counter...erh? I literally have /nothing/ to block whatever you can throw at me (in that manner), so this is either evidence that someone is connected to me that I've no idea of--or someone has action'd me in some manner that affects...other actions coming in towards me?

I cast wonder at Varee's house. I think I was housed, perhaps? I've no message of anything otherwise though, and am speculating.

General query: Hypothetical question this. If I was scum, why would I claim that I did the Panick-all and detail it down to the perceived period?

I poke That Blue Puppet. What governs your suspicion towards me?

[Scripten]

In addition to what Tiruin said, weren't several of you saying that a town panic-er would claim?

[Nerjin]

He can make all action fail

So it wouldn't affect you in the slightest.

[webadict]

Let me know if anything's wrong.

Vote Count
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Cheeetar - IronyOwl, Scripten,
Imp - Jack A T,
IronyOwl -
Jack A T -
Mysteriousbluepuppet -
Nerjin -
Scripten -
Silthuri -
Tiruin - Mysteriousbluepuppet,
Toaster -
TolyK - Tiruin,
Urist Imiknorris -
Varee - Cheeetar, Toaster, Nerjin, Silthuri,

Not Voting - Imp, Urist Imiknorris, TolyK, Varee,

Day Extended!

7 to Hammer. Day ends Thursday 9 PMish CST (Approximately 46 hours from this post.)

[Mysteriousbluepuppet]

Tiruin, i'm voting you because i can't understand how that panic could be a town ability. Complete Lockdown is WAY too strong for a townie, especially when another of the townies had the ability to combo with it.  The only way to balance this would be scum that could ignore it, which would make the ability basically useless and an hindrance to town.

But, as a scum tool, it's strong  but counterable. Indeed, the random chance could be used to defeat it, and the combo could not be used, and after a few turn the game'd be back to normal.

It's a completely meta analysis, but i can't see your actions as Town, and so you get my vote.

[Toaster]

Clarification is in; we are go for lockdown.  I sent in the request to lock down everyone, pending further plans being made.

[Mysteriousbluepuppet]

Quick question toaster. What would stop you from lockdowning everyone but the scum and win like a dirty Survivor ?

[Toaster]

I doubt I can target by alignment.  I'll go ask that now, though.


I did ask; I can't block action types.  For example, I can't block all kills while allowing all inspects to go through.

[Cheeetar]

Idea: Seeing as Toaster already has a revive, we should lynch him today so if he lets us down tonight (aka townies die) we won't have to spend another two days lynching him for town to have a chance in the night phase.

Good? Bad?

Quick question toaster. What would stop you from lockdowning everyone but the scum and win like a dirty Survivor ?

He probably doesn't know who the scum are, but- if he does, it's a worry.

[Mysteriousbluepuppet]

Well, they could just come out in the open , say ''X is scum, don't target me i'll kill everyone else.

Then X guy would kill every non scum until while they just vote off the stragglers. Considering 13 people game, 3 scum + you, that would in 2-3 night unless some scum start dieing.  2-3 night.

[Cheeetar]

If they claimed, we could lynch them.