Flabort, why did you use your one-shot so early? Your move seemed incredibly desperate.
Let's see: I had two choices. Die and never use it, or use it and not know for sure the outcome.
So I went with the advice of "remember to use your one-shots, don't hoard them", and used it. Using an early one-shot is not suspicious.
It is suspicious if you use it for seemingly no reason to essentially daykill someone. And no, don't create a false dilemma for yourself. You wouldn't die if you hadn't used it- there were two people voting you of a necessary nine.
Nine to hammer. If nobody else votes, you only need one vote and the day to end to lynch. Two votes is still enough to kill; nine is just what ends the day early.
Here's my case against Flabort: He claimed to be certain both me and Shakerag were scum, and that's why he essentially condemned one of us to death. He does not, however, want to be viewed as responsible for it- he wants everyone to say that I'm to blame for Shakerag's death. He made the situation occur, then blamed me for reacting rationally to it. He thinks I'm a scummy person for lynching a SK ally instead of letting myself die - however, he's perfectly towny for panicking at the sight of two votes and using his one-shot to OMGUS. Do note that his reasons for suspecting me so far had been 'that guy just doesn't sit right with me.'
I'm going to unvote Nerjin and vote Flabort in the hope that his resurrect was a one-shot. I do still however want Nerjin to explain his attempted saving of Shakerag.
Shakerag turned out to be anti-town. I trust my gut. It still says you're scum.
I don't want to be seen as the one who pulled the trigger; I admit that I set up the situation. But if I were to be the one that chose and killed a person, all on my own, that would be a jerk move; also, biased. If this action still gets me killed, I still bring the person(s) that are most scummy with me.
I didn't "blame" you for "acting rationally": I said the situation was such that anyone who thought it through and still wanted me to die would not have voted for shakerag or you. You panicked, in other words.
Yes, I was panicking too. Somewhat. You don't gather ~5 votes, get daykilled, and then get the only votes so far back on you and not panic about that; someone wants you dead, and that someone is very determined. I want to be alive long enough to learn who.
And come on, a vote? "In the hopes that [my] revive was a one-shot"? My votes were a one-shot. My revive recharges.
flabort:
Wait, does that mean we have an SK? Great.
Really. You want us to believe that you just now figured this out. "SKs? What SKs?! I don't know anything about SKs! Why I didn' even notice anything about SKs when the guy I suspected and helped murder flipped 'SK ALLY!'"
C) I didn't want to be responsible for killing either of them if they wound up town.
G) Whoever cast the hammer vote would come under suspicion from the whole town.
Therefor, while it was a hasty and self-preserving action, there was plenty of reason behind it and I believed it would help town.
Maybe it did, but it means that you were the hang-man, the one with blood on your hands now.
Try living with that when it makes everyone suspicious of you.
So your scummy, panicky, self-serving bullshit is perfectly understandable because you want to live and it "helps town," but Cheeetar's awfully suspicious for pulling the trigger on the gun you cocked for pretty much identical reasons?
It didn't really filter through my brain what there being an SK-ally meant until I was thinking about how an SK-ally would work. I saw the flip, but my thought at the time was "huh, impossible alignment, included just to annoy shakerag because wuba is frustrated with the role".
OK, fine, my given reasons for voting him are a bit of a double standard. But I notice you're voting him and finding him suspicious too.
So we both want to live and used that as our justification for yesterday. We still suspect each other and find each other to be scummy.
@flabort: Rolefishing, I see... )
Two killing teams as in teams that need to kill everyone.
Also, given an SK, I bet the third party is a survivor.
How is asking how you know that rolefishing? Unless knowing that information is part of your role, how would you assume that I asked that because I was rolefishing?
OK, so you're considering the SK to be a killing team. OK, I can understand that.
But how would you know there's another third party? We already have an SK and an SK-ally for thirds, how would you know there is a third third?
There's no information in any of the mod-posts indicating this.
flabort: Did your one-shot target two or up to two targets? What would have happened if you applied an uneven number of votes to each, or tried to vote additional targets?
I would interpret it as up to two targets.
With an uneven number of votes, it would imply suspicion of one over the other. I chose not to, so it's a moot point.
If I had tried to vote additional targets, I guess it would have failed, or would have not counted the additional targets.
FLABORT MUST READ
You hypocritical communist. I choose to believe you are entirely to blame, in order to set up the idea that it's been you the whole time
You are entitled to your opinions. I am entitled to my opinions too, and if I choose to believe you are President Stalin For Life, you wouldn't be able to change that opinion. I choose to believe that you are working for the town, right now, but that you are very mistaken about who to pursue.
Tiruin I don't fully understand what you're saying but it's troubling me.
...Yeah, let's give me the finger without giving any more details than 'D: WAT U SAY'
>_>
It's troubling you, how.
Is that so easy to append?
So now you're saying... what? I don't understand this talk of Unlucky and having nothing to lose but information, and you're saying you're not miller now?
It's tickling my suspicion, and I don't understand the chaos of those posts. It's troubling me because you're saying something that directly affects how we perceive your alignment is changed.
Flabort:
How would an SK ally even work, anyways?
The SK would have to kill it's ally to win. Shakerag would have to die anyways for him to win.
Wait, does that mean we have an SK? Great.
Allies win when the people they're allied with win.
Dying does not equal losing, unless you're the last member of your faction.
We have 17 players. Why did you think there wasn't an SK?
An SK is such an underpowered alignment though. So easy for someone to accidentally kill the SK or find him out; almost impossible for the SK to win, even with their kills and other powers.
So benefit of the doubt. I was assuming that if there were third parties, they'd be a bit more survivable. Like a watcher or something.
As for your question, I knew that:
A) I would die for reals if I was voted that day after being daykilled, because my revive would not have time to recharge.
B) Someone having more votes on them then me would make me safe. Yes, this was incredibly self-serving, but I feel like my powers could help town. Less so now that I've actually claimed them, but I think they can still help; turning the night game against Scum into an excruciating game of "Did I or didn't I, and if I did where?". Night WIFOM vs Scum, if you will.
C) I didn't want to be responsible for killing either of them if they wound up town.
D) I didn't want to cause a tie.
E) I essentially presented the two of them with a variation on Prisoner's Dilemma. If one votes the other, they survive the day. If anyone else considered them scummy, though, they didn't. If they managed to each vote each other simultaneously (they didn't), they'd both survive due to it becoming a tie and no-lynch.
F) I didn't trust either of them.
G) Whoever cast the hammer vote would come under suspicion from the whole town.
So you did it to draw attention away from yourself, get two other people lynched that weren't you and avoid responsibility for it. Nice try. Yeah, you need to be lynched.
Not totally avoid responsibility, but yes, I guess that's a good summary.
Imp: I have not received a PM confirming or denying anything yet; I have not recieved information that would imply that I successfully copied the housing power onto myself. The power is not innately one of information, but I should learn about certain powers affecting me, such as if I gained a new ability like was implied by Varee.
If you don't get a PM, it means your action was or seemed successful.
OK, but that means that it didn't interact with Varee's or Varee didn't target Toaster.
No, I'm just in a different time zone. GMT+2, 10am now.
That's true, of course, which is something I might confirm only to me.
Also, we almost definitely have an SK, given an SK-ally (unless Wuba really is a bastard in regard to Shakerag 
), and we have another third party to be sure.
Given at least two killing teams, I'd guess we either have an arsonist or a really strange mafia kill.
Where are you getting this information? How do you know there's another third party after the SK and SK-ally?
How do you know there's two killing teams when there were no kills last night?
It's called common sense. TolyK did the same exact thing in Jack's BYOR too. If there's a 17 player game, then either there is a large scumteam or multiple third parties. Only multiple third parties is more balanced and FUN. Also, Shakerag's role only allows one kill to occur, which means that at least two people have some form of kill. One of which we know is the SK, while the other is likely the Mafia or a Vigilante. Weren't you in Jack's BYOR? Stop trying to cast suspicion on other people.
OK. He could have explained that that information was coming from Shake's powers. Instead of thinking it's rolefishing. How did he even come to that conclusion that that's what I was doing this time? He just assumed that because I do that a lot, that's what I was doing?
Webadict: Is this game restricted to One Lynch Per Day?
No. But only in cases where two or more players are successfully Hammered. Ending the Day with equal votes less than Hammer is a No Lynch. Or those related to abilities, as always.
Err.
Flabort. Why was there only one person lynched?
PFP
Because I had no idea about this. If I had known that hammer-ties do not result in a no-lynch, then hammering both of them would have been the better course of action, because now knowing this a lot of what I had said about not wanted to cause a tie is voided. I didn't know this at the time, though, so I thought if I had hammered them both, no-one would have died.
Flabort: Why didn't you lynch both Cheeetar and Shakerag?
See directly above.
Flabort: If you're town, why didn't you simply hammer everybody but yourself?
*facepalm* Because the ability only works on up to two people. It's part of the ability.
And oh boy would that ever be overpowered. "Here's an instant win button."
And also, see answer directly above.
Toaster, how could you assume that I could hammer everybody but myself?
If I missed anything please let me know.
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