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[Alev]

In the interest of disabusing wagon-haters of their notion that wagons are unliving, unfeeling beings:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Here we see that wagons actually lose hold of items and sustain injuries, when undergoing attacks from nasty savage little dwarvsies (this is a human wagon)

Further evidence that wagons are creatures and are ALIVE, include that they can be memorialised.

WAGONS ARE GODS! THEY ARE THE ONLY MULTITILE CREATURE! ALL HAIL TO WAGONKIND!

[GavJ]

"this is a human wagon" ??
Where did you do this? In the arena?

Also, I don't see any evidence here of feeling. Grasping and sustaining damage are things that are done by industrial robots, and they don't have feelings.

If you can get one to cower in fear or pass out from pain or something, then you're talking.

[Alev]

"this is a human wagon" ??
Where did you do this? In the arena?

Also, I don't see any evidence here of feeling. Grasping and sustaining damage are things that are done by industrial robots, and they don't have feelings.

If you can get one to cower in fear or pass out from pain or something, then you're talking.

WAGON HATE IS HERESY! BURN THE HERETIC!

[Scruiser]

In ancient times it was possible to cut trees with wooden training axes, no moods necessary.  It was only later as dwarfs advanced and invented metal axes that they lost the ability to cut down trees with wooden training axes.  Thus first wagon->first carpenters shop->first training axe -> deforesting (it was easier in prehistory when the trees wouldn't grow higher than a single urist) -> first war with elves -> invention of pick from elf bones.  The anvil was provided by Armok on the first wagon, its heresy to suggest otherwise.

[MarcAFK]

Was that feature removed ? I never used training axes for woodcutting, but still......

[Meneth]

Was that feature removed ? I never used training axes for woodcutting, but still......

No, training axes are still viable. The standard embark profile gives you a copper axe, but it's easy (and saves you about 30 points) to replace it with a training axe.

[Scruiser]

Was that feature removed ? I never used training axes for woodcutting, but still......

No, training axes are still viable. The standard embark profile gives you a copper axe, but it's easy (and saves you about 30 points) to replace it with a training axe.

I thought that feature was removed... 30 more embark points for me!

[Urist McVoyager]

Yeah, it's still there. I routinely replace the copper axes with wooden training ones.

[Verjigorm]

I just bring logs.   Seriously, for 1pt more than an axe I can get 5 logs on embark.  1 to make a carpenters workshop, 2 for axes, 1 to burn into charcoal.   I still tend to bring 2 copper picks, as it let's me get into exploratin' the underground quick and in a hurry.   I also make sure to bring along some ores.  If I can get away with it, I like to have about 10-15 hematite/magnetite/limonite and 10 tetrahedrite* so I know I have some good weapons grade material(Iron for armor, copper for bolts and crossbows, silver for warhammers and maces).   

didn't save me from the terrifying conditions though.

[palu]

In the interest of disabusing wagon-haters of their notion that wagons are unliving, unfeeling beings:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Here we see that wagons actually lose hold of items and sustain injuries, when undergoing attacks from nasty savage little dwarvsies (this is a human wagon)

Further evidence that wagons are creatures and are ALIVE, include that they can be memorialised.

Did that bolt cut the wagon in half? I knew crossbows were overpowered, but wow.
It is terrifying.

[Urist McVoyager]

It was inevitable . . . that that wagon would die to a bolt cutting it in half. For Science!

[Wimopy]

It was inevitable . . . that that wagon would die to a bolt cutting it in half. For Science!

Please note that the wagon did NOT die or fall apart. It just lost the board that makes up the back, so the items in it fell out.

[RabblerouserGT]

I don't like the fortress entrances. Would be better if they had it not floored off so I can have some nice walled-off farms.

[warwizard]

I've had an artifact wooden Anvil before... presto instant metal working  (when combined with an artifact wooden pick)

[GavJ]

It was inevitable . . . that that wagon would die to a bolt cutting it in half. For Science!

Please note that the wagon did NOT die or fall apart. It just lost the board that makes up the back, so the items in it fell out.

Lol! For real? It actually poured out its items? That's awesome.

It's like wagon blood is made out of socks and crutches.