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[Agent_Irons]

It's funny that when the humans take over, they just climb up into the treetops like it's normal.

When in rome...

Isn't there a tool called Text Will Be Text that fixes that? (I think it's a DFHack plugin, but could be wrong.)

You're not wrong. DFHack is still coming for DF2014, so by extension no TWBT for now.

[richeygator]

Save?

I REALLY wanna set this stuff on fire

[Vanzetti]

Are there 3D pictures of the multi-tile trees yet?

[Pirate Bob]

Why aren't any of these elf trees on fire?

I spent much of the evening last night trying to set elf trees on fire, without much luck.  I didn't get the option to ignite trunks or leaves as an adventurer.  Twigs can be ignited, but I wasn't finding any of those in elf trees (maybe I didn't look hard enough?) - just in regular trees.  Even if that is possible, it wouldn't be particularly satisfactory, as the fire doesn't seem to spread to the rest of the tree.

I guess I will have to do a little modding to find out what the impact of dragonfire and/or magma is on elf trees. 

This got me all excited

I've got the elf sites up to where they need to be. The last thing I updated was the firest -- they affect trees differently now, tile-by-tile. They tend to burn off leaves and smaller branches and keep larger parts intact or dead-but-still-around, depending on the intensity of the overall fire, so all the grass usually goes with some blackened stumps/branches left behind. There are still tree chopping and the continuing raw entry as I mentioned, but I'll work those out as we go.

but seems to require a "stronger" fire than what an adventurer can conjure.  This clearly calls for !!Science!!

[therahedwig]

Are there 3D pictures of the multi-tile trees yet?

Not yet, because most visualisers rely on DFhack.

However, if I try to use the tileset I made for the multi-tile trees after the first screens were shown, the Elven willow tree I sat in would be looking like this:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

As you can see, the Elven trees are so wide they just look like big blobs of foliage.
Of course, that tileset is incomplete: I misinterpreted how the trunk would work, and Elven trees have 'smooth branches' which I suspect is the Elven equivalent of a constructed floor. Not to mention that the leaf type is not willowly enough :p

[Vanzetti]

As you can see, the Elven trees are so wide they just look like big blobs of foliage.
Of course, that tileset is incomplete: I misinterpreted how the trunk would work, and Elven trees have 'smooth branches' which I suspect is the Elven equivalent of a constructed floor. Not to mention that the leaf type is not willowly enough :p

Damn, this is awesome.

Are tree parameters hard-coded? Is it possible to create very high trees? 20-30-50 z-levels? Ygdrassil style?

[KingBacon]

As you can see, the Elven trees are so wide they just look like big blobs of foliage.
Of course, that tileset is incomplete: I misinterpreted how the trunk would work, and Elven trees have 'smooth branches' which I suspect is the Elven equivalent of a constructed floor. Not to mention that the leaf type is not willowly enough :p

Damn, this is awesome.

Are tree parameters hard-coded? Is it possible to create very high trees? 20-30-50 z-levels? Ygdrassil style?

Looking at the raws (for a papaya tree) there appears to be growth parameters:
[TREE:LOCAL_PLANT_MAT:WOOD][TREE_TILE:226]
   [TRUNK_PERIOD:10]
   [HEAVY_BRANCH_DENSITY:0]
   [BRANCH_DENSITY:50]
   [MAX_TRUNK_HEIGHT:3]
   [BRANCH_RADIUS:2]
   [TRUNK_BRANCHING:0]
   [MAX_TRUNK_DIAMETER:1]
   [TRUNK_WIDTH_PERIOD:200]
   [ROOT_DENSITY:5]
   [ROOT_RADIUS:3]
   [STANDARD_TILE_NAMES]
   [PREFSTRING:fruit]
   [DRY]
   [BIOME:ANY_TROPICAL]
   [SAPLING]
   [GROWTH:LEAVES]

[Vanzetti]

As you can see, the Elven trees are so wide they just look like big blobs of foliage.
Of course, that tileset is incomplete: I misinterpreted how the trunk would work, and Elven trees have 'smooth branches' which I suspect is the Elven equivalent of a constructed floor. Not to mention that the leaf type is not willowly enough :p

Damn, this is awesome.

Are tree parameters hard-coded? Is it possible to create very high trees? 20-30-50 z-levels? Ygdrassil style?

Looking at the raws (for a papaya tree) there appears to be growth parameters:
[TREE:LOCAL_PLANT_MAT:WOOD][TREE_TILE:226]
   [TRUNK_PERIOD:10]
   [HEAVY_BRANCH_DENSITY:0]
   [BRANCH_DENSITY:50]
   [MAX_TRUNK_HEIGHT:3]
   [BRANCH_RADIUS:2]
   [TRUNK_BRANCHING:0]
   [MAX_TRUNK_DIAMETER:1]
   [TRUNK_WIDTH_PERIOD:200]
   [ROOT_DENSITY:5]
   [ROOT_RADIUS:3]
   [STANDARD_TILE_NAMES]
   [PREFSTRING:fruit]
   [DRY]
   [BIOME:ANY_TROPICAL]
   [SAPLING]
   [GROWTH:LEAVES]

   [MAX_TRUNK_HEIGHT:3]
   [MAX_TRUNK_DIAMETER:1]

This looks promising. 

[KingBacon]

Time for arena testing 
Find a tree and change it to:

[MAX_TRUNK_HEIGHT:300]
[MAX_TRUNK_DIAMETER:100]

Crash upon creation...

[Vanzetti]

Time for arena testing 
Find a tree and change it to:

[MAX_TRUNK_HEIGHT:300]
[MAX_TRUNK_DIAMETER:100]

Crash upon creation...

Try smaller?

[Gnomeknows]

Time for arena testing 
Find a tree and change it to:

[MAX_TRUNK_HEIGHT:300]
[MAX_TRUNK_DIAMETER:100]

Crash upon creation...

Try smaller?

Smaller? That doesn't sound like proper !!SCIENCE!!

[KingBacon]

Time for arena testing 
Find a tree and change it to:

[MAX_TRUNK_HEIGHT:300]
[MAX_TRUNK_DIAMETER:100]

Crash upon creation...

Try smaller?

Smaller? That doesn't sound like proper !!SCIENCE!!

For it to be !!SCIENCE!! One will need to set the temperature to magma or higher in the testing arena.

[Pirate Bob]

As promised, here is a !!beautiful elf site!!

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

It required modding in a dragon adventurer to get sufficient burning - setting fires by "igniting" things was not enough.  Even dragonfire set fires don't really spread very well, so I just had to breathe fire on everything.  In the arena, fires set by magma would spread nicely from the grass up to the trees, and then burn the whole tree, but I'm not good enough at modding to get magma in adventure mode...

[Knight Otu]

[TREE:LOCAL_PLANT_MAT:WOOD][TREE_TILE:226]
   [TRUNK_PERIOD:10]
   [HEAVY_BRANCH_DENSITY:0]
   [BRANCH_DENSITY:50]
   [MAX_TRUNK_HEIGHT:3]
   [BRANCH_RADIUS:2]
   [TRUNK_BRANCHING:0]
   [MAX_TRUNK_DIAMETER:1]
   [TRUNK_WIDTH_PERIOD:200]
   [ROOT_DENSITY:5]
   [ROOT_RADIUS:3]
   [STANDARD_TILE_NAMES]
   [PREFSTRING:fruit]
   [DRY]
   [BIOME:ANY_TROPICAL]
   [SAPLING]
   [GROWTH:LEAVES]

Trunk width only goes to 3. Trunk height might go higher than 8, but I don't think so.

[Pirate Bob]

It appears that I was wrong, and regular "ignited" fires are in fact sufficient to burn down trees.  The problem is it takes a very long time for fires to spread, such that they do not appear to spread at all on the adventurer time scale.  I spawned a dwarf in the arena and had him set a fire near the trees.  He literally died of thirst by the time the fire had spread to the trees.  But the one ignited fire was enough to burn down all the grass, and most of the trees (sometimes the trees don't fully catch on fire even when all the grass below them is burning).

I'm not sure if the time scale for fire being so slow in adventure mode would be considered a bug?  Even if so, I doubt it would be very high on Toady's list, as the only use for setting fires in adventure mode would be to burn down his beautiful trees, even if there might be...ahem...significant demand for said feature...