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[Bumber]

This thread is my... Amour(k)?

:V

*Puts on pun-resistant Armor(k)*

[Staalo]

So how about them libraries? Can children read? What are our ideal dwarven values? Should we instead turn them into mindless killing machines who care nothing for peace, friendship, family, and leisure? -50 Nature goes without saying.

I'm kind of torn on anger propensity. On one hand, it's extremely dorfy to have them be extremely unstable, rage-prone berserkers. On the other hand, it's not beneficial to the perfect solider. Decisions, decisions. Maybe we should encourage those already inclined, and put them in their own special squad: The A(rmok) Team?

I have been working more on "happy productive citizens with superpowers" angle with my forts. Military applications are only a bonus.

Now that the new version is out it looks like implementing Dwarven Child Care would again be fresh and interesting. With children acting more like children will it be like Caillou or more like Lord of the Flies? I'm suspecting the latter based on what I saw during my first adventuring session.

[Bumber]

I have been working more on "happy productive citizens with superpowers" angle with my forts. Military applications are only a bonus.

Now that the new version is out it looks like implementing Dwarven Child Care would again be fresh and interesting. With children acting more like children will it be like Caillou or more like Lord of the Flies? I'm suspecting the latter based on what I saw during my first adventuring session.

A -«+wooden menacing spike+»- sharpened at both ends. It menaces with pig's head. On the object is an image of a dwarf and conch. The dwarf is holding the conch.

[Isngrim]

A -«+wooden menacing spike+»- sharpened at both ends. It menaces with pig's head. On the object is an image of a dwarf and conch. The dwarf is holding the conch.

i rarely ever sig people...but.....

[Dirst]

With children acting more like children will it be like Caillou or more like Lord of the Flies?

I find Caillou far more irritating than Samneric.

[Staalo]

Oh hey, .40.xx saves work in .42.xx! I loaded Copperfell in .42.02 and it works without hiccups, and more importantly without constant crashing. I could continue the project without starting over if I can tolerate the missing music and poetry.

The kids are playing make believe in the danger room. That's all good, I might even dump a load of toys in there later on and see what happens. I secretly hope the students will find a way to use them as weapons.

I'm somewhat worried about the effects of unfulfilled needs and focus though, not to speak of all the added emotional stuff. Will the students go all "S-senpai noticed me!" next time I drop a zombie ogre among them?

[Staalo]

I try to play the Copperfell save every now and then, despite how frustrating it is with all the missing .42.xx goodies. Even recent graduates seem to sense it and would rather play make believe with their younger siblings than spar with militia veterans. I thought all this... child stuff would stop when they reach adulthood.

[TheFlame52]

It does, as soon as they take their first job. Let them haul something and it'll stop.

[miauw62]

dwarven coming of age:
"pick up that rock"
"ok"
"YOURE A MAN NOW"

[Bwint]

dwarven coming of age:
"pick up that rock"
"ok"
"YOURE A MAN NOW"

Well, the children in question have spent a decade dodging stakes and punching zombies to death. At this point the "rite of passage" is just a formality.

Mind if I sig this?

[Skullsploder]

Hmmm. New version. To abandon Lancedweakened or... nah screw it, I'm abandoning Lancedweakened.

The last age and a half with the fort has been meticulous planning for a new, deeper fort to completely replace the current one, childcare and all, so I may as well just use the same design and start a new fort in the new version.

The central premise of this new fort will be to force all dwarves to take a short swim each time they move from their bedrooms to their workshops. The main purpose of this is to train babies in swimming, thus increasing their stats and possibly achieving growth more extreme than what Staalo has already achieved, due to stats maxing out earlier. And there will of course be 10 spears per floor tile in the childcare, which will also sport a longer bridge of spikes, again in the interest of maxing out stats earlier.

The system I have worked out involves simply having multiple length 20 bridges leading from each block of apartments to the workshop area. a pressure plate on the apartment side ensures that any dwarf crossing a bridge from that side will drop into the depth 4 water and learn a little bit of swimming.

That's what's relevant to the Childcare project, but in addition the new fort will have a far more efficient workshop layout and possibly look pretty enough to be called a megaproject. But finding the right spot and copying the designations over will take quite a long time, not to mention setting up a temporary fort and mining operations, so expect silence from me for a while.

[Staalo]

The central premise of this new fort will be to force all dwarves to take a short swim each time they move from their bedrooms to their workshops. The main purpose of this is to train babies in swimming, thus increasing their stats and possibly achieving growth more extreme than what Staalo has already achieved, due to stats maxing out earlier.

Sorry to disappoint you, but it looks like babies can't learn Swimming yet. See an earlier experiment on the same thing:

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=140588.msg6149082;topicseen#msg6149082

[TBeholder]

The central premise of this new fort will be to force all dwarves to take a short swim each time they move from their bedrooms to their workshops. The main purpose of this is to train babies in swimming, thus increasing their stats and possibly achieving growth more extreme than what Staalo has already achieved, due to stats maxing out earlier.

Minus "babies" part, it's pretty much Decontamination Chamber, which if implemented well, is a Good Idea. Just with a little more splash.
Not too hard, even - if the shower is plate activated, a floodgate on very short delay under the floor grate could do the job.

[Skullsploder]

Awwww that's disappointing. Ah well. The compulsory baths will be good for the rest of the fort anyway, will prevent graduates' swimming skills from rusting, and will encourage general hygiene. It's a damn shame about the babies not learning skills though. Thanks for letting me know Staalo!

Did anyone ever find out if receiving injuries trained a dwarf in toughness and endurance? I did discover that injuries cause a dwarf to get "doesn't care about anything anymore" is there are enough of them or if the ones there are are major enough. I think I put that in either this thread or the trivial findings thread, can't remember which. I still haven't given up on subjecting babies to the training. The setup I described could easily be changed to include a 2z rather than 1z drop to give the babies light injuries. >:3

[Insanegame27]

Here's an idea that may or may not work. It probably won't. If you dig a 7x7 square and put the trade depot in it, then seal the opening with a raising bridge, and then surround the depot with fortifications. If you forced babies in the tile between the wall and the fortifications then massacred the elves who came to trade (Raise bridge, initiate murder) would they gradually become hardened to that?

Spoiler: 'old' (click to show/hide)

Everyone here is a sick, emotionally deprived, psychopathic, child-hating inhumane being. +1 now that I'm here.
Idea: lock the children in towers (with windows and a roof, food and water) in the countryside so that they can see the slaughter of all the goblin sieges. this way, there is no danger to the children and they can still see all the blood and gore. although this doesnt train combat skills, you could lock a cat in there as well. or give the kid a LOT of pets and then kill them one by one within view of the tower. Engrave the tower, give him a bed, table, chair, chest and cabinet with all the furniture being good quality. this should give him/her good thoughts from the furni, and bad thoughts+mental hardening from the loss of his pets and view of the gore. bonus points for having a marksdwarf floor on top of the tower with a door that is unlockable by lever and a shitton of bolts and a crossbow locked in the marksdwarf floor.


Stilts keeping the tower up&seperated from the rest of the world and out of reach from building destroyers
1st floor: day/night care. lines represent windows
   ____________
 /                       \
|                         |
|            X           |
|                         |
 \_____________/


2nd floor: replace the windows with fortifications


   ____________
 /                       \
|           __          |
|          [XD          |    X represents stairs surrounded by walls. with a door
|                         |         locked via lever
 \_____________/






Then build a roof over the top