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[NJW2000]

Yeah, actually, more specific than "enjoyed talking with a friend" would be great, wonder when that's coming up!

I heard some guy (on this thread?) talk about how he managed to merge adventure interface onto his fort so he could hear his dwarves talking, I think.

[Nopenope]

Will scholars be attracted to your fortress based on what literature you have? As in, if you have a lot of books related to medicine will you get visitors with medical skills looking to study there? Perhaps we'd finally have a reliable way to train doctors.

Knowledge has no impact on skills, so even if your scholars know all about medicine they won't be any better at bone-setting or anything else used in fort mode.

This may sound like a stupid question but what's the point of knowledge then? Gameplay-wise, I mean.

[Putnam]

You can see conversation in dwarf mode by turning on conversations in dwarf mode in the announcements file.

Will scholars be attracted to your fortress based on what literature you have? As in, if you have a lot of books related to medicine will you get visitors with medical skills looking to study there? Perhaps we'd finally have a reliable way to train doctors.

Knowledge has no impact on skills, so even if your scholars know all about medicine they won't be any better at bone-setting or anything else used in fort mode.

This may sound like a stupid question but what's the point of knowledge then? Gameplay-wise, I mean.

It will matter later. Actually making them matter in the current release would probably make it take a few more months.

[Robsoie]

This may sound like a stupid question but what's the point of knowledge then? Gameplay-wise, I mean.

If i have no idea if Toady has knowledge being something important or just some flavor text gimmick, but i would imagine an application in DF context of knowledge and lack of it would be that a character without having had the knowledge of a skill teached to him would then acquire/train such skill very slowly.

So in the medecine example , a bone setting dwarf would get his skill improve by using it (much) more slowly than the bone setting dwarf that would have had a medecine scholar teaching him all there is to know about bone setting.

[Shonai_Dweller]

Originally it was 'no practical use' but that's since changed to 'almost no practical use, but you can alter the ethics of a civilization'. So it'll be interesting to see if it's come further than expected.

Although I suspect studying under a medical scholar will probably just produce more medical scholars (i.e book writers) for now. Hopefully we'll know more at the end of the month.

[Shonai_Dweller]

Will scholars be attracted to your fortress based on what literature you have? As in, if you have a lot of books related to medicine will you get visitors with medical skills looking to study there? Perhaps we'd finally have a reliable way to train doctors.

Knowledge has no impact on skills, so even if your scholars know all about medicine they won't be any better at bone-setting or anything else used in fort mode.

This may sound like a stupid question but what's the point of knowledge then? Gameplay-wise, I mean.

Don't forget that the upcoming release is only part 1 of the whole taverns n' knowledge arc. The rest (including practical application, apprenticeships, games and recipes and no doubt all sorts of other stuff) is all on the way but Toady doesn't want another multiple year wait for the next release.

[Dirst]

Don't forget that the upcoming release is only part 1 of the whole taverns n' knowledge arc. The rest (including practical application, apprenticeships, games and recipes and no doubt all sorts of other stuff) is all on the way but Toady doesn't want another multiple year wait for the next release.

I'm not sure those features would make me feel better about DF healthcare.

"Alrighty patients, I'm back from the tavern.  Who to see next? Eenie Meenie Minie Moe..."

[Devin]

For those of us who miss DF Talk and would like to hear from you about all the recent development in new episodes, can we volunteer to help somehow?  We could collect a list of good questions for you to discuss in an episode and do the audio editing from the raw take to make it sound nice, for instance.  That would probably reduce the work involved for you to pretty much just the time you were talking on mic.

[NJW2000]

Limegreen it, Devin, that sounds great!

[Dirst]

It feels like we're entering a period of posts along these lines where there will sometimes be interesting logs like the last log, and often logs that are just lists of now-unbroken known features, he he he. The collection of problems is growing smaller, anyway!

Dirst cancels doing anything useful at work: pressing F5 continuously

Okay, maybe not, but this is definitely welcome news.

[Malrone]

I've long been excited for the TAVERNS AND SKALDS update, and as its scope has expanded, so has my hype. But building off of the new and now established emotions system, and heading forward into the era of scholarship, philosophy, and sociology, I find myself struck something. A missing chunk of psyche.

So, to the Toady One, I ask a Big question and a Small question.

Big:
Right now, dwarves are traumatized by the idea of dead goblins, even after centuries of violence between these peoples. Will the emotions system draw more on family and politics in the future to correct for this, or perhaps will ethics draw more granular distinctions between species and not just all sentience? The current method of managing this reaction, of systematically traumatizing dwarves until their personality is nothing but the emotional equivalent of scar tissue, is somewhat distressing.

Small:
As libraries, books, scholars, and the various forms of "hard" knowledge are added to the game, will the player be able to influence what ideas are generated or spread? Could propaganda be manufactured and cultural education eventually be implemented?

[Inarius]

@Malrone :

you should green (edit --> lime green) your text if you want Toady to see them !

[Malrone]

Thanks for the heads up. I was wondering what the purpose behind that was.

The difference between player ethics and dwarven ethics (as defined by the game) is something I've always found to be rather striking. We've built mermaid farms, corpse disposal chutes to recycle bodies into workable bone, elaborate eugenics and genocide machines, concocted schemes to raise our children into ideal soldiers straight from the womb, and generally been capable of a detached amoral calculative mindset. All the while, the dwarves themselves approach something of a Kantian ideal, and apply their civilization's ethics to all creatures capable of higher thought.

[FearfulJesuit]

You've hinted before that the current dev cycle may lay the groundwork for a future reworking of technology during gameplay- technologies that you will or won't have access to depending on research, with the ability to advance your fortress's knowledge by investing in research. If so, do you also envision- whether in fort mode or simply in worldgen- situations where a civilization would lose access to a technology they once had?

[MrWiggles]

That extremely rarely happens in real life. Its very hard to lose knowledge. Though in real life, technological accumulation isn't linear. Generally what happen, is that there is a loss to materiel needed to do that thing or a loss of need to do that thing.