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[PigtailLlama]

• Babies don't start strapped with a knife

Don't you realize what that meant Toady? That means they are destined to be a great warrior or assassin. Some babies are born with spoons of varying materials, but a knife? That means they know what kind of world they're born into. It's got as much validity as animals being appointed administrative positions! 

[Scruiser]

     So the wiki had some new Secret Goal tokens listed: STAY_ALIVE, MAINTAIN_ENTITY_STATUS, START_A_FAMILY, RULE_THE_WORLD, CREATE_A_GREAT_WORK_OF_ART, CRAFT_A_MASTERWORK, BRING_PEACE_TO_THE_WORLD, BECOME_A_LEGENDARY_WARRIOR, MASTER_A_SKILL, FALL_IN_LOVE, SEE_THE_GREAT_NATURAL_SITES. 
Were these tokens only added to go with the new personality update or do they also indicate near term plans for expansion to secret motivations?
Also, nice job in integrating the personality goal expansion with the existing necromancy goal process.  Its always fun to see thing come together like that.

[golemgunk]

So the wiki had some new Secret Goal tokens listed: STAY_ALIVE, MAINTAIN_ENTITY_STATUS, START_A_FAMILY, RULE_THE_WORLD, CREATE_A_GREAT_WORK_OF_ART, CRAFT_A_MASTERWORK, BRING_PEACE_TO_THE_WORLD, BECOME_A_LEGENDARY_WARRIOR, MASTER_A_SKILL, FALL_IN_LOVE, SEE_THE_GREAT_NATURAL_SITES. 

What's the difference between "STAY_ALIVE" and "IMMORTALITY"?

[King Mir]

So the wiki had some new Secret Goal tokens listed: STAY_ALIVE, MAINTAIN_ENTITY_STATUS, START_A_FAMILY, RULE_THE_WORLD, CREATE_A_GREAT_WORK_OF_ART, CRAFT_A_MASTERWORK, BRING_PEACE_TO_THE_WORLD, BECOME_A_LEGENDARY_WARRIOR, MASTER_A_SKILL, FALL_IN_LOVE, SEE_THE_GREAT_NATURAL_SITES. 

What's the difference between "STAY_ALIVE" and "IMMORTALITY"?

I imagine STAY_ALIVE is for people who are hunted or inflicted with disease and not for people obsessed with their own mortality.

[Putnam]

None of them work at the moment AFAIK, so it's somewhat irrelevant.

[Scruiser]

Right, I noticed the tags were in the list of tokens for secret goals in the wiki, so I tried some custom secrets but they never showed up as motives for secrets during world gen.  So I looked around on the wiki some more and found they were associated with the new personalities changes.  So apparently the necromancy goal is incorporated into the overall goal system of the personalities.  So that left me wondering if they were combined just to keep it consistent for long-term development, or if there was some near term expansion to secret researching motivations.

So the wiki had some new Secret Goal tokens listed: STAY_ALIVE, MAINTAIN_ENTITY_STATUS, START_A_FAMILY, RULE_THE_WORLD, CREATE_A_GREAT_WORK_OF_ART, CRAFT_A_MASTERWORK, BRING_PEACE_TO_THE_WORLD, BECOME_A_LEGENDARY_WARRIOR, MASTER_A_SKILL, FALL_IN_LOVE, SEE_THE_GREAT_NATURAL_SITES. 

What's the difference between "STAY_ALIVE" and "IMMORTALITY"?

I imagine STAY_ALIVE is for people who are hunted or inflicted with disease and not for people obsessed with their own mortality.

Yeah that makes sense.  Stay alive doesn't seem to act as a secret motive during world-gen (as I mentioned with raw modification and world-gen test).  It would make sense to have separate goals for those that just want to stay alive versus historical figures actively seeking immorality.

None of them work at the moment AFAIK, so it's somewhat irrelevant.

Yeah they are pretty much just fortress mode personality characteristics as far as I can tell.

[xaritscin]

the wiki says that elephants would be eventually be able to be kept alive when tamed/trained, as this been discussed?, what about rhinos?, now that multi-tile trees are possible will we see a change to the grazing system? at least to allow large natural creatures to be bred succesfully in captivity?

[SmileyMan]

Perhaps STAY_ALIVE is the default, since it is the de facto motive of all living beings?

[Knight Otu]

Perhaps STAY_ALIVE is the default, since it is the de facto motive of all living beings?

Could be. Which means it really shouldn't work for secret goals. Would be awkward if everyone went necromancer, only to have nothing to animate. It doesn't seem to show up in the XML export if I recall correctly, though.

[Dirst]

Perhaps STAY_ALIVE is the default, since it is the de facto motive of all living beings?

Could be. Which means it really shouldn't work for secret goals. Would be awkward if everyone went necromancer, only to have nothing to animate. It doesn't seem to show up in the XML export if I recall correctly, though.

"Is your secret goal to stay alive?"
"I'm not saying."
"Do you mean to say that you don't want to stay alive?"
"No, just saying I'm not saying what my secret goal is."
"It's not like staying alive is a bad thing.  Come on, you can tell me."
"I'm not telling you my secret goal, all right?"
"I think your secret goal is to stay alive, and you're just embarrassed to --  Gaaaaaaa!"
"No, actually my secret goal is to rid the world of really annoying people."

[Sergarr]

Perhaps STAY_ALIVE is the default, since it is the de facto motive of all living beings?

Could be. Which means it really shouldn't work for secret goals. Would be awkward if everyone went necromancer, only to have nothing to animate. It doesn't seem to show up in the XML export if I recall correctly, though.

"Is your secret goal to stay alive?"
"I'm not saying."
"Do you mean to say that you don't want to stay alive?"
"No, just saying I'm not saying what my secret goal is."
"It's not like staying alive is a bad thing.  Come on, you can tell me."
"I'm not telling you my secret goal, all right?"
"I think your secret goal is to stay alive, and you're just embarrassed to --  Gaaaaaaa!"
"No, actually my secret goal is to rid the world of really annoying people."

or [BRING_PEACE_TO_THE_WORLD]

[jwest23]

Perhaps STAY_ALIVE is the default, since it is the de facto motive of all living beings?

Maybe.  Though I'd think it might drive caution and cowardice instead, and be the opposite of some new deathwish-like tag such as DIE_IN_BATTLE.

[Inarius]

Perhaps STAY_ALIVE is the default, since it is the de facto motive of all living beings?

Maybe.  Though I'd think it might drive caution and cowardice instead, and be the opposite of some new deathwish-like tag such as DIE_IN_BATTLE.

could be linked to some Walhala myth, or Djihad.

[Saram-61-97-kon]

Are armor and weapon modifications (like thin, rectangular etc.) different from the unmodificated item? If yes, can you tell us what is changed?

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 And what properties does the vault-clothing has?

[Witty]

Are armor and weapon modifications (like thin, rectangular etc.) different from the unmodificated item? If yes, can you tell us what is changed? And what properties does the vault-clothing has?

No they are exactly the same. The only thing that makes them unique is the divine metal they are made out of typically.