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Talvieno

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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #420 on: September 02, 2014, 12:18:15 pm »

here's an interesting question, or perhaps just a suggestion:

would we be able to send dwarves from our fort into the hill dwarf communities for any purpose? my though is that useless dwarves could be instructed to join the hill dwarves to help them in some way or another.
I can't link you specifically to where it was said (FotF somewhere, I think), but the short answer is that yes, that's planned for the future.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #421 on: September 02, 2014, 01:08:27 pm »

here's an interesting question, or perhaps just a suggestion:

would we be able to send dwarves from our fort into the hill dwarf communities for any purpose? my though is that useless dwarves could be instructed to join the hill dwarves to help them in some way or another.
I can't link you specifically to where it was said (FotF somewhere, I think), but the short answer is that yes, that's planned for the future.

Here it is, from DF Talk #12, it's a large one (I've bolded and colored the relevant parts)
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Also relevant: in that same DF Talk, there's a question right there from Rainseeker that says "Are you thinking that you'd allow dwarves to train, or you could set up training that happens off the map, basically?"

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Hope it helps.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #422 on: September 02, 2014, 01:30:47 pm »

*applauds* I knew I read it somewhere.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #423 on: September 02, 2014, 02:32:54 pm »

I just ...absorbed your recent Russian exploit, near the end you answered a question about fortress armies sent from the fortress into the world and how hill dwarf would fill them out with bodies. I find myself wondering how this would work. Assuming these recruits will need equipment and the fortress is responsible for it, this would be a wonderful opportunity to expand trading.
Do you have a formed idea how hill dwarf<>Fortress trade/transport will be formulated for the player-fort?
It would be kind of funny to see armies of wrestlers tromping around the map if one 'forgets' to send swords.
Or would this work by conscripting hill dwarves for a 50 dorf axemob, these show up at your depot or wherever and pick up the required equipment from your stockpiles, then leave to fill their slot in the 'roaming army entity'? 
Will armies train their troops and if so where? In the field or in barracks at a specified home-site?

About taverns and inns:
Will there be more types of transient visitors from surrounding sites besides the usual traders and envoys?
For example: visiting relatives, farmers from a hill trading some greens at a 'foodshop' for coin then buying manufactured goods, like mugs and socks from a 'goods shop'. Adventurers! looking for good equipment, supplies and quests/rumours. etc. (You did say that the economy will return. :D
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #424 on: September 02, 2014, 02:36:44 pm »

About taverns and inns:
Will there be more types of transient visitors from surrounding sites besides the usual traders and envoys?
For example: visiting relatives, farmers from a hill trading some greens at a 'foodshop' for coin then buying manufactured goods, like mugs and socks from a 'goods shop'. Adventurers! looking for good equipment, supplies and quests/rumours. etc.
I like this idea, unless they are ‼Adventurers‼ then I'd rather keep them away from the booze :)
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #425 on: September 02, 2014, 02:41:18 pm »

The trading stuff is planned for certain. I hope we can tell adventurers to lead our troops into battle against an approaching army. That sort of stuff is a long ways off, though.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #426 on: September 02, 2014, 02:41:39 pm »

Indeed. one more job for the sheriff. or !!hammerer!!
edit: Oh my! I just generated a world in 0.40.10 and got some major towerspam. Gonna see how many death-gods there are...(6) then try to meet some.  heheeheeee!
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« Reply #427 on: September 02, 2014, 04:13:30 pm »

Indeed. one more job for the sheriff. or !!hammerer!!
edit: Oh my! I just generated a world in 0.40.10 and got some major towerspam. Gonna see how many death-gods there are...(6) then try to meet some.  heheeheeee!

This just got fixed (again), apparently the towers were still trying to act like towns, so Toady One turned off that stuff for now.

http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=6691
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #428 on: September 02, 2014, 09:34:20 pm »

It would be great to send an army marching off to attack neighbours. Maybe you're at war with the elves, and you want to wipe out the elves that have been attacking you? Send thirty tough dwarves after them, keeping a few home to cover goblin defence, and when your soldiers return home, they'd have goods from the elves. No more elves attacking you, or maybe you could have an option to show some mercy, and the next caravan to come by has a diplomat, offering lower prices for peace. This could be a use for mounts too, send your dwarves off on some mounts and they'll get to the enemy faster and carry more. If you raided goblins, you could get rare war creatures, like trained ogres and cave dragons.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #429 on: September 02, 2014, 09:52:56 pm »

About taverns and inns:
Will there be more types of transient visitors from surrounding sites besides the usual traders and envoys?
For example: visiting relatives, farmers from a hill trading some greens at a 'foodshop' for coin then buying manufactured goods, like mugs and socks from a 'goods shop'. Adventurers! looking for good equipment, supplies and quests/rumours. etc.
I like this idea, unless they are ‼Adventurers‼ then I'd rather keep them away from the booze :)

This specific question is covered in a DF Talk episode. Basically Toady plans for a wide array of characters to hang out at the inns/taverns. Mainly adventurers, but bandits can also be around there and maybe cause a bit of a stirrup, but not always. With bandits and multirracial civilizations there might be also a chance to have goblins peacefully strolling around your fort. Implementing music and musical performance could lead to wandering bards. Hopefully we could also see liars and con-artists impersonating all the above people and scamming the hell out of our dwarves.

The actual quote is this one:
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Mercenaries and swords for hire. That's pretty rad.

RIght now, as the world advances, people tend to be more and more related between themselves, with historical figures having a lot of cousins, aunts, brothers and stuff. If visiting relatives are implemented, we could expect huge family meetings per dwarf (with all its deadly consequences) and related shenanigans. It might be pretty cool.

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It would be great to send an army marching off to attack neighbours. Maybe you're at war with the elves, and you want to wipe out the elves that have been attacking you? Send thirty tough dwarves after them, keeping a few home to cover goblin defence, and when your soldiers return home, they'd have goods from the elves. No more elves attacking you, or maybe you could have an option to show some mercy, and the next caravan to come by has a diplomat, offering lower prices for peace. This could be a use for mounts too, send your dwarves off on some mounts and they'll get to the enemy faster and carry more. If you raided goblins, you could get rare war creatures, like trained ogres and cave dragons.

You're supposed to be able to do even more than that! Not just sending your elite, fortress-groomed dwarves into the fray, but also leading a pack of drunks and poorly trained militia from the hill sites to where the battle rages. Spoils of war and loot surely is planned, although I can't remember where I have seen that. Maybe it was a power goal or something like that.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #430 on: September 03, 2014, 04:35:32 am »

Yeah, attacking other sites, I have been waiting for that since 2009 :P
Who knows maybe it'll be there in a year or two.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #431 on: September 03, 2014, 02:45:08 pm »

On the note of morale, horror, and creature enemies,
Are you planning on creating a situation similar to Fear/Hate or such ingrained into a civilization similar to animal training and other "developments"? Or any other morale Fear/Hate kind of emergent behavior that changes on a cultural level from exposure?
If a site is subjected to tons of tiger attacks over time, and the Elves who go to subjugate it field war tigers, will it induce fear? How about when the elves occupy the site, which has goblins living peacefully in it. Will they murder the goblins because all elves from that culture know the only good goblin is a dead goblin despite anything said individual goblin may or may not have done.

Real life examples:
Racism
Bigotry
Hatred of Wolves
War Elephants (Okay, this one is more of an example of how much fear a good mount can be...)

And that also goes to slaughtering loved critters from other civilizations as a method of war
Real life example:
Buffalo Massacre
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« Reply #432 on: September 04, 2014, 01:59:51 pm »

The Russian interview was cool, they had some good questions.  More releases!  I can't keep up... 
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #433 on: September 05, 2014, 10:56:50 am »

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« Reply #434 on: September 07, 2014, 04:46:57 am »

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