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[Neo_Spade]

So, for a bit of fun I've been dropping Whales from the sky onto a Dwarf in object testing and I've discovered that no matter how hard I try, even taking direct control of him... he will always manage to dodge them, without any skill in dodging, or anything for that matter.

I'm not sure why this is happening, I can kill a Dwarf by dropping another Dwarf onto him from a great height just fine, but Whales just seem to be incredibly easy to dodge out of the way of. I've even tried dropping several waves in a row on him and still he dodges every time!


I'm getting a kick out of the thought of this poor dwarf just looking up at the sky and thinking: WHY HAS ARMOK FORSAKEN ME!?


I'll try and remove his arms and legs and see if he can still get out of the way then... the little git... now how do I do that without killing him or knocking him out?

[varnish]

You could try using a bowl of petunias instead.

[Neo_Spade]

You could try using a bowl of petunias instead.

xD this was the main inspiration for trying it with Sperm Whales in the first place, and they do explode into gore at the end, these ones don't think of pleasant things on the way down though... the ones that survive, despite land drowning and having large chuncks pulped attempt to rip each other to pieces.


I seem to be noticing a pattern: bigger things moving at high speeds seem easier to dodge than small things moving at high speeds... do heavy things in the Dwarf Fortress universe fall slower? I'll double check with another Bronze Collosus and then something like a cat and see how often they actually hit.

EDIT: fixed some dodgy grammar

[JayThePro]

 So, if you looked up into the sky and saw a whale hurtling towards you, would you not run for your life? It would be easier to notice than something relatively the same size as you falling towards you. I can't tell if this theory is true, but I'm just using logic.

[ff2]

You could try using a bowl of petunias instead.

[snip]

EDIT: fixed some dodgy grammar

I c what u did there.

[Neo_Spade]

So, if you looked up into the sky and saw a whale hurtling towards you, would you not run for your life? It would be easier to notice than something relatively the same size as you falling towards you. I can't tell if this theory is true, but I'm just using logic.

I've tried dropping them in a 3x3 pattern in groups of 5 over him so he can't dodge out of the way on time, and also dropping several waves of them at once. He still dodges all of them... it's quite amazing. I just tried it with cats too, and it didn't work. Dwarves just seem to be very good at getting out of the way of things being dropped on them I guess. :S

[Dirst]

So, if you looked up into the sky and saw a whale hurtling towards you, would you not run for your life? It would be easier to notice than something relatively the same size as you falling towards you. I can't tell if this theory is true, but I'm just using logic.

I've tried dropping them in a 3x3 pattern in groups of 5 over him so he can't dodge out of the way on time, and also dropping several waves of them at once. He still dodges all of them... it's quite amazing. I just tried it with cats too, and it didn't work. Dwarves just seem to be very good at getting out of the way of things being dropped on them I guess. :S

Are you sure this isn't some manifestation of the Shaft of Enlightenment exploit?  Check to see if that Dwarf has astronomically high Dodging skill.

[Neo_Spade]

Are you sure this isn't some manifestation of the Shaft of Enlightenment exploit?  Check to see if that Dwarf has astronomically high Dodging skill.

According to the game, after all of this stuff I've dumped on him he's still a dabbling dodger, with all average attributes. Unless something is going on in the background that the game isn't taking into account.

EDIT: Rather, the game is taking note of whats going on in the background, but not updating on the frontend what has actually happened to his skills, that last line made no sense :S

[Nasikabatrachus]

If you've got dwarf problems, I feel bad for you, son.
I've got 99 whales because I killed Urist with one.

[Neo_Spade]

If you've got dwarf problems, I feel bad for you, son.
I've got 99 whales because I killed Urist with one.

xD I may just have to sig that.

[Floppypig]

Try punching it in the head it passes right through 

[TheCoolSideofthePIllow]

I seem to be noticing a pattern: bigger things moving at high speeds seem easier to dodge than small things moving at high speeds... do heavy things in the Dwarf Fortress universe fall slower?

If he wants to be realistic, it could go either way here.

Two objects of the same shape, but different weights will fall the same speed.

However, two objects of different shapes, wind resistance could make the larger, heavier object fall slower, if it also had a bigger surface area, depending on the density of the medium it is falling through.

But then again, you're only noticing the reaction of an entity moving away from the falling object; so perhaps the larger object is just easier to see, and thus they move out of the way sooner.

[Neo_Spade]

I seem to be noticing a pattern: bigger things moving at high speeds seem easier to dodge than small things moving at high speeds... do heavy things in the Dwarf Fortress universe fall slower?

If he wants to be realistic, it could go either way here.

Two objects of the same shape, but different weights will fall the same speed.

However, two objects of different shapes, wind resistance could make the larger, heavier object fall slower, if it also had a bigger surface area, depending on the density of the medium it is falling through.

But then again, you're only noticing the reaction of an entity moving away from the falling object; so perhaps the larger object is just easier to see, and thus they move out of the way sooner.

Yeah, disregard what I said about the theory of larger things falling slower, the cats and whales both took an equal time to hit, and were equally easy to dodge. I just find it odd (and incredibly amusing) that dropping 45 Whales on a Dwarf at the same time only requires him to very easily move out of the way of the first one, even if said place he's moving to is where another Whale is landing.

I'm also basically taking over the Dwarf and making him do nothing (well sometimes I make him do "squats" or spit at the on coming Whales for fun), so he's reacting at the last possible moment.

Also I finally managed to get a Dwarf hit by the on coming Whales, he got attacked by one that landed, then got hit by 3 Sperm Whales at once... and survived with only severe bruising and a broken foot. Dwarves are durable little blighters!

[Bloax]

You're forgetting the massive distance you would have to move away if we're talking about a giant sperm whale falling onto you from the skies.

[palu]

Only in DF.