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[lemon10]

I hope the heavy infantry are called Dismounted Knights or something.

There should also totally be Siege Engineers, which are actually decently fast moving Siege 25 units, and grant some amount of buffs against ranged attacks to their buds. Also ranged units should be made more effective when defending, especially fortifications, somehow...(and what would be really interesting is if Siege Engineers could construct fortifications, so that if an army with Siege Engineers in it is attacked(and maybe only if said army hasn't moved in the last turn) it gets a fortifications bonus like from towns, and similarly, could be reduced by opposing siege units.)

Rather suck at names, I just called them heavy infantry.
No to siege engineers, siege is intended for balance reasons to only work with speed one units, which makes it a huge deal to siege enemy cities, if you could do it with regular infantry speed units sieges would be much easier to do. There is no way to grant buffs against ranged attacks without type casting all the units that are ranged, which would be a pain in the butt. No way to add a unit that can make any kind of temporary fortification either.
No way to make ranged units more effective when defending without editing the source code.

E: People properly voting on if they want the rule changes in would be good. My vote is yes obviously.

[Kashyyk]

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  <tileorders>
    <tileorder type="tClaim" x="17" y="6"/>
    <tileorder type="bImp" x="22" y="16">
      <improvement code="hunt"/>
    </tileorder>
    <tileorder type="bImp" x="24" y="15">
      <improvement code="farm"/>
    </tileorder>
    <tileorder type="tClaim" x="22" y="3"/>
  </tileorders>
  <cityorders>
    <cityorder type="subPop" cityid="27"/>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="17">
      <building code="fWall"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="rUnit" cityid="39">
      <unittype code="sword"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="rUnit" cityid="8">
      <unittype code="knight"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="rUnit" cityid="31">
      <unittype code="sword"/>
    </cityorder>
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    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="243" x="20" y="19">
      <targetunit unitid="371"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="537"/>
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    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="484" x="23" y="11">
      <targetunit unitid="586"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="177"/>
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      <targetunit unitid="597"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="177"/>
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    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="536" x="23" y="11">
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      <secondarmy armyid="177"/>
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    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="523" x="27" y="7">
      <step dx="0" dy="1"/>
      <step dx="-1" dy="1"/>
      <step dx="-1" dy="1"/>
      <step dx="-1" dy="1"/>
      <step dx="0" dy="1"/>
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      <step dx="-1" dy="0"/>
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This is the kind've challenge I wanted. Being attacked by the GM and two powerful player nations Although I would like to point out that I never actually attacked Mercia after the Danes arrived.

[lemon10]

This is the kind've challenge I wanted. Being attacked by the GM and two powerful player nations Although I would like to point out that I never actually attacked Mercia after the Danes arrived.

Yeah, that was actually a pretty big mistake. You should have either pressed the assault or retreated fully. Fighting two wars at once is almost always a terrible idea. Either you needed to protect the northland properly, or given it up entirely and taken Mercia.

Role: I have no desire to have Kash actually be destroyed by the Danes right now. I much prefer a weak nation up north to the Danes having a long time source of income (eg. burning down the north) and them being able to stay in the game and threaten my shores. As such, I will not allow you to move any farther north then the 16 line, and will (attempt to) kill your armies that venture farther north then that.
Kash: I am not interested in any of your land besides the coastal cities, and the coastal tiles within their range, as such, although I will probably go farther into your land to stop Role, I will not raze any ground there nor attempt to take your cities (with the obvious exception of Whitehaven). This should allow you to simply fight the danes without interruption.

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

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    <tileorder type="tClaim" x="15" y="37"/>
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    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="50">
      <building code="smith"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="52">
      <building code="eng"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="7">
      <building code="baz"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="33">
      <building code="shipY"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="13">
      <building code="apoth"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="24">
      <building code="bank"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="35">
      <building code="univ"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="addPop" cityid="58"/>
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  <armyorgorders>
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      <step dx="-1" dy="1"/>
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      <step dx="1" dy="1"/>
      <step dx="1" dy="1"/>
      <step dx="-1" dy="1"/>
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Spoiler: To Mercia (click to show/hide)

Would you accept a trade of 8 horses for the tiles (22,22), (22,23), (21,23), and (21,24)?

[lemon10]

If you want secret communications PM them directly, otherwise don't expect that it will remain secret if you post it directly in the thread.
E: Of course, you might not be saying that its secret, but I assume that is why its in a spoiler.

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

If you want secret communications PM them directly, otherwise don't expect that it will remain secret if you post it directly in the thread.
E: Of course, you might not be saying that its secret, but I assume that is why its in a spoiler.

This is so close to the turn end, that I want it to be known that a deal negotiation has been started.

Also, is that turn 61 that lemon posted the one we are using now?  I'd rather not switch over to another ruleset, as it is so late in the game.

[lemon10]

The turn 61 mundane 01 is the rules with kings added, so no it isn't the one we are using now.

[Vanigo]

Oh dear. That the Danes now have cavalry and better boats is bad news indeed.

Bad? It could very easily be game, what with their ability to completely ignore losses by spawning replacement units for free - once they start spawning fleets of 20 galleons, you won't be able to stop them from landing new giant sacrificial armies every single turn.

Of course, the smart thing to do would have been to spawn 500 units on turn 1 in two, maybe three invincible doomstacks, and just shit all over everything, so they're kind of holding back.

[Varee]

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<playerturn player="Varee">
  <tileorders>
    <tileorder type="bCity" x="23" y="31">
      <cityname>Bob Your uncle</cityname>
    </tileorder>
    <tileorder type="bRoad" x="27" y="35"/>
    <tileorder type="bRoad" x="26" y="34"/>
    <tileorder type="bRoad" x="28" y="33"/>
    <tileorder type="bRoad" x="30" y="31"/>
  </tileorders>
  <cityorders>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="57">
      <building code="libr"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="30">
      <building code="baz"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="12">
      <building code="shipY"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="18">
      <building code="dock"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="rUnit" cityid="28">
      <unittype code="gboat"/>
    </cityorder>
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      <building code="stabl"/>
    </cityorder>
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      <targetunit unitid="580"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="Varee553"/>
    </armyorgorder>
  </armyorgorders>
  <armyorders>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="325" x="32" y="30">
      <step dx="-1" dy="0"/>
      <step dx="-1" dy="1"/>
      <step dx="-1" dy="0"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="118" x="28" y="33">
      <step dx="1" dy="-1"/>
      <step dx="0" dy="-1"/>
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      <step dx="-1" dy="-1"/>
      <step dx="-1" dy="1"/>
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We just need to kill all there galleon and they wont be able to spawn more right?


Also my iron and horse is up for trade, just place your offer

[Vanigo]

We just need to kill all there galleon and they wont be able to spawn more right?

Well, in theory, but you can't possibly kill them as fast as they spawn, because the Danes have functionally infinite industry. The number of units they have on the field matters, but that just means that every unit you kill is a new unit they can afford to spawn; it's a treadmill that ends only if you can cut off all their income.

[notquitethere]

Of course, the smart thing to do would have been to spawn 500 units on turn 1 in two, maybe three invincible doomstacks, and just shit all over everything, so they're kind of holding back.

Well, I deliberately hamstrung myself a little by only starting with 300 gold and promising never to let the Dane's funds go into the red. I want the Danes to be challenging, but not unbeatable.

Spoiler: Pending consensus (click to show/hide)

I've taken a look and ran some tests with Lemon's additions. As there appears to be no objections, I'm going to include them in the game. Heavy Infantry are strictly better than Halbediers and Swordsmen in a straight-up fight, but their terrible move speed should contain them mostly to being guards in the cities in which they're made.

King Rules
- Players must choose a city in which to put their palace. A player can elect to change capital cities-- this destroys their existing palace (if the palace is still owned by them). For now, the Danes cannot have a palace.
- Royal units can be built in the city in which the player has a palace. A player can only have one royal unit at a time: if a player attempts to build a second royal unit, the first will be destroyed. The player can make a choice between the boat, infantry or cavalry options.

I'm going to go ahead an assume that these are the capital cities: Caern Michaels, Lincoln, Winchester, Lampeter, and Irada. Let me know if you'd like to change that, and I'll swap it around mid-turn (or before I process this turn if you reply in time).

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

As there appears to be no objections...

What do you call this, then:

I'd rather not switch over to another ruleset, as it is so late in the game.

[notquitethere]

What do you call this, then:

I'd rather not switch over to another ruleset, as it is so late in the game.

Ah! It appears to be me failing to read the thread... if there are objections, then I'll leave things as they are while we're not all of accord.

[Vanigo]

Well, I deliberately hamstrung myself a little by only starting with 300 gold and promising never to let the Dane's funds go into the red. I want the Danes to be challenging, but not unbeatable.

Wait, they can't go into the red? I thought you just said they stopped spawning units when they were in the red, which is a pretty important difference.

[notquitethere]

Well, I deliberately hamstrung myself a little by only starting with 300 gold and promising never to let the Dane's funds go into the red. I want the Danes to be challenging, but not unbeatable.

Wait, they can't go into the red? I thought you just said they stopped spawning units when they were in the red, which is a pretty important difference.

You're right, I should be more clear here. The Danes will stop spawning units if they're in the red; AND they'll take no action which is likely to lead them to being in the red (including spawning units). Hence why I didn't just create one monster army to end all armies and be done with it. Though that would have been an... interesting way to do things.