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[lemon10]

I dont think it possible to crank out that many mines, there too many step to it and it take too long to be beneficial.


smith-eng guild take quite a lot of iron...

Iron isn't the limiting factor really, with an iron income of 2 you can produce the infrastructure needed for a cavern mine every 3 turns.
The limiting factors early on are labor (since you need 13 labor per cavern mine, which is pretty significant early on) and inspiration (which can take up to ten turns with a single library).  Later on it's population, wood and time (since there is a significant lead time).

One per 3 turns is a bit optimistic since you did have enemies to deal with but if you spend the whole game only on infrastructure and found a foreign supplier of wood having +15 iron per turn by turn 50 is fairly reasonable.

Also, while focusing on infrastructure is pretty clearly suboptimal in the short (and even medium term) in the long term it is needed to win, and having twice as much iron income because you built up your infrastructure will win you the game when you produce twice as many troops as he can, even if he initially has more.

[notquitethere]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

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      <newname>Third Landing Party</newname>
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      <targetunit unitid="339"/>
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    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="NQT346" x="33" y="29">
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    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="NQT346" x="33" y="29">
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      <newname>Forward Guard</newname>
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      <step dx="-1" dy="0"/>
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[notquitethere]

Spoiler: 865 AD (click to show/hide)

Ireland:

66 food used to gain 1 free population
67 food used to gain 1 free population
67 food used to gain 1 free population
Farm built at (13,15)
Farm built at (13,14)
Farm built at (11,14)
Knights raised in Irada
Breeder's Pasture built in Bréanainn
Cavern Mines built in Abbeyvale
Smithy built in Arklow
Hanging Gardens built in New York
Narsis grows to size 5
Babbleton grows to size 3
Granary built in Abbleton
Galleon (271) moved to Irish Navy
Galleon (270) moved to Irish Navy
Ireland army 303 is empty and is disbanded
Ireland army 302 is empty and is disbanded
Irish Navy moves to (12,28)
Ireland army 304 moves to (6,26)
Knights Errant moves to (8,24)
Irish Knights moves to (8,24)


Mercia:

58 food used to gain 1 free population
Tile (30,30) claimed
Military Academy built in Birmingham
Engineer's Guild built in Grimsby
Crossbowmen raised in Lincoln
Bridlington grows to size 3
Bowyers built in Shrewsbury
Granary built in Nottingham
Mercian War Guard moved to Heartland Garrison
Mercian Recruits moved to Heartland Garrison
Straggling Archers moved to Heartland Garrison
New York Regiment moved to Heartland Garrison
Mercia army 307 disbanded
Mercia army 288 disbanded
North Garrison Force disbanded
Bowmen (278) moved to Heartland Garrison
Mercia army 310 disbanded
Mercia army 291 moves to (27,28)
Mercia army 308 moves to (26,26)
Mercia army 290 moves to (27,25)
Mercia army 306 moves to (27,25)
Battle fought at (27,23):
   Mercia army 309 attacking (1 units)
   Kings Guard defending (15 units)
   Bowmen (277) destroyed
   Defenders win


Northumbria:

Janitors has conquered Jedburgh!
Pictland has razed your village on (26,18)!


Wessex:

52 food used to gain 1 free population
Tile (27,30) claimed
Cavern Mines built in Nothingham
Mounted Crossbowmen raised in Winchester
Bowmen raised in Southern Trek
Bowmen raised in Shorine
Docks built in Londinium
Training Field built in Lampang
Barracks built in Center plain
Bowmen raised in BungKarn
Bill moved to Capital Defend force
Mounted Crossbowmen (260) moved to Wessex FRU
Mounted Crossbowmen (223) moved to Wessex FRU
Cavalry Archers (198) moved to Wessex FRU
Mounted Crossbowmen (209) moved to Wessex FRU
Catellen moved to Wessex FRU
Mounted Crossbowmen (279) moved to Wessex FRU
Bowmen (293) moved to Wessex army 293
Bowmen (282) moved to Wessex army 324
Bowmen (290) moved to Wessex army 312
Wessex army 284 is empty and is disbanded
Wessex army 292 is empty and is disbanded
Wessex army 265 is empty and is disbanded
Wessex army 266 is empty and is disbanded
Wessex army 311 is empty and is disbanded
Wessex army 326 is empty and is disbanded
Wessex army 323 is empty and is disbanded
Wessex army 314 is empty and is disbanded
Wessex FRU moves to (26,34)
Wessex army 324 moves to (27,34)
Wessex army 293 moves to (28,33)
Wessex army 283 moves to (25,32)
Capital Defend force moves to (25,32)
Axer raider moves to (28,31)
Wessex army 312 moves to (26,34)


Wales:

45 food used to gain 1 free population
Woodcutters built at (19,34)
Hunter's Camp built at (20,34)
Woodcutters built at (21,32)
Farm built at (21,33)
Stone Wall built in Haverfordwest
Fortress built in Wrexham
Stone Wall built in Aberaeron
Knights raised in Lampeter
Crossbowmen raised in Machynlleth
Palisade built in Cardiff
Observation Point 1A Castercliff grows to size 4
Crossbowmen (295) moved to Machynlleth Garrison
Crossbowmen (295) renamed to 3rd Machynlleth Crossbowmen
Swordsmen (294) moved to Aberaeron Garrison
Swordsmen (294) renamed to 2nd Aberaeron Swordsmen
Army Wales army 351 created
Wales army 351 renamed to Keighley Garrison
2nd Castercliff Knights moved to Keighley Garrison
Wales army 327 is empty and is disbanded
Wales army 328 is empty and is disbanded
Keighley Garrison moves to (23,22)


Pictland:

81 food used to gain 1 free population
Road built at (25,18)
Tile (23,16) claimed
Farm built at (26,8)
Farm built at (22,6)
Bank built in Windermere
Marketplace built in Fort Montane
Macleston grows to size 5
Grand Bazaar built in North Tor
Grand Bazaar built in Conniston
Grand Bazaar built in Mott Fergusa
Knights raised in Caern Michaels
Pikemen raised in Whitehaven
Mounted Crossbowmen (299) renamed to Crossbow Response
Crossbow Response moved to Northmen
Cavalry moved to Northmen
Chevalier moved to Northmen
More Riders disbanded
Pictland army 332 disbanded
Knights (300) renamed to Ker-Nig-ets
Pictland army 333 renamed to Lone Riders
Pikemen (296) renamed to Spear Regiment
Spear Regiment moved to Windermere Garrison
Pictland army 329 disbanded
Garruson Spears renamed to Garrison Spears
Pikemen (297) renamed to Winged Spears
Winged Spears moved to Whitehaven Warriors
Pictland army 330 disbanded
Mac Conniston Familia moved to Kings Guard
Mac Donald Familia moved to Kings Guard
Rapid Response Crossbows moved to Kings Guard
Siege Crossbows moved to Kings Guard
Mac Conniston Division disbanded
Dunbroch Familia moved to Kings Guard
Dunbroch Division disbanded
Mounted Archers moved to Kings Guard
Riders disbanded
Mac Quater Familia moved to Kings Guard
Roving Band disbanded
Northmen moves to (19,3)
Kings Guard moves to (27,23)
Battle fought at (25,1):
   Another Ship attacking (1 units)
   Northern Water Tribe, Fourth Landing Party defending (1 units)
   Longboat (353) destroyed
   Attackers win
Battle fought at (25,0):
   Sails on the Horizon attacking (1 units)
   Orkney Raiders, Third Landing Party defending (1 units)
   Longboat (351) destroyed
   Attackers win
Battle fought at (24,0):
   Lone Warship attacking (1 units)
   Shetland Raiders, Second Landing Party defending (1 units)
   Longboat (349) destroyed
   Attackers win
Battle fought at (23,0):
   Pictland army 331 attacking (1 units)
   Iceland Raiders, Landing Party defending (1 units)
   Longboat (347) destroyed
   Attackers win
More Sails moves to (25,2)
Lone Horses moves to (25,15)
Lone Riders moves to (25,15)
More Raiders moves to (24,17)
Raiders moves to (25,17)
Battle fought at (27,23):
   Mercia army 309 attacking (1 units)
   Kings Guard defending (15 units)
   Bowmen (277) destroyed
   Defenders win
Engineer Corps moves to (25,15)
Janitors has conquered Jedburgh!
Cleanup has razed Northumbria's village on (26,18)!


Danes:

0 food used to gain 1 free population
Army Danes army 342 created
Danes army 342 renamed to Landing Party
Swordsmen (346) moved to Landing Party
Army Danes army 343 created
Danes army 343 renamed to Second Landing Party
Swordsmen (348) moved to Second Landing Party
Army Danes army 344 created
Danes army 344 renamed to Third Landing Party
Swordsmen (350) moved to Third Landing Party
Army Danes army 345 created
Danes army 345 renamed to Fourth Landing Party
Swordsmen (352) moved to Fourth Landing Party
Army Danes army 346 created
Danes army 346 renamed to The Boats
Longboat (361) moved to The Boats
Catapult (359) moved to The Boats
Catapult (359) moved to The Heathen Army
Carrack (360) moved to The Boats
Longboat (345) moved to The Boats
Longboat (344) moved to The Boats
Longboat (343) moved to The Boats
Carrack (342) moved to The Boats
Carrack (341) moved to The Boats
Carrack (340) moved to The Boats
Bowmen (337) moved to The Boats
Bowmen (338) moved to The Boats
Bowmen (339) moved to The Boats
Army Danes army 347 created
Danes army 347 renamed to Carack
Carrack (342) moved to Carack
Bowmen (337) moved to Carack
Bowmen (338) moved to Carack
Bowmen (339) moved to Carack
Carrack (342) moved to The Boats
Carack renamed to Forward Guard
Carrack (341) moved to The Heathen Army
Carrack (340) moved to The Heathen Army
Carrack (342) moved to The Heathen Army
Carrack (360) moved to The Heathen Army
Carrack (360) moved to The Boats
Army Danes army 348 created
Danes army 348 renamed to More Forward Guard
Bowmen (338) moved to More Forward Guard
Army Danes army 349 created
Danes army 349 renamed to Even More Forward Guard
Bowmen (339) moved to Even More Forward Guard
Carrack (360) moved to The Heathen Army
Army Danes army 350 created
Danes army 350 renamed to Olaf's Mission
Olaf the Hasty moved to Olaf's Mission
Longboat (318) moved to Olaf's Mission
The Heathen Army moves to (30,24)
Battle fought at (25,1):
   Another Ship attacking (1 units)
   Northern Water Tribe, Fourth Landing Party defending (1 units)
   Longboat (353) destroyed
   Attackers win
Battle fought at (25,0):
   Sails on the Horizon attacking (1 units)
   Orkney Raiders, Third Landing Party defending (1 units)
   Longboat (351) destroyed
   Attackers win
Battle fought at (24,0):
   Lone Warship attacking (1 units)
   Shetland Raiders, Second Landing Party defending (1 units)
   Longboat (349) destroyed
   Attackers win
Battle fought at (23,0):
   Pictland army 331 attacking (1 units)
   Iceland Raiders, Landing Party defending (1 units)
   Longboat (347) destroyed
   Attackers win
Olaf's Mission moves to (6,30)
A Flotilla of Raiders moves to (12,36)
The Boats moves to (31,27)
Even More Forward Guard moves to (32,30)
Forward Guard moves to (32,28)
More Forward Guard moves to (32,29)

Spoiler: Battle Log (click to show/hide)

Battle fought at (25,1):
   Another Ship attacking (1 units)
   Northern Water Tribe, Fourth Landing Party defending (1 units)

Turn 1
Turn 2
Turn 3
   Lady Fergusa attacks Longboat (353) for 6 damage
   Longboat (353) attacks Lady Fergusa but fails to do damage
Turn 4
   Lady Fergusa attacks Longboat (353) but fails to do damage
   Longboat (353) attacks Lady Fergusa for 1 damage
Turn 5
   Lady Fergusa attacks Longboat (353) for 5 damage
   Longboat (353) attacks Lady Fergusa for 2 damage
Turn 6
   Lady Fergusa attacks Longboat (353) for 6 damage
   Longboat (353) destroyed
   Attackers win


Battle fought at (25,0):
   Sails on the Horizon attacking (1 units)
   Orkney Raiders, Third Landing Party defending (1 units)

Turn 1
Turn 2
Turn 3
   St Cuthbert attacks Longboat (351) for 3 damage
   Longboat (351) attacks St Cuthbert for 3 damage
Turn 4
   St Cuthbert attacks Longboat (351) for 7 damage
   Longboat (351) attacks St Cuthbert but fails to do damage
Turn 5
   St Cuthbert attacks Longboat (351) for 1 damage
   Longboat (351) attacks St Cuthbert but fails to do damage
Turn 6
   St Cuthbert attacks Longboat (351) for 4 damage
   Longboat (351) destroyed
   Attackers win


Battle fought at (24,0):
   Lone Warship attacking (1 units)
   Shetland Raiders, Second Landing Party defending (1 units)

Turn 1
Turn 2
Turn 3
   Sir Causantin attacks Longboat (349) but fails to do damage
   Longboat (349) attacks Sir Causantin but fails to do damage
Turn 4
   Sir Causantin attacks Longboat (349) for 4 damage
   Longboat (349) attacks Sir Causantin but fails to do damage
Turn 5
   Sir Causantin attacks Longboat (349) for 4 damage
   Longboat (349) attacks Sir Causantin but fails to do damage
Turn 6
   Sir Causantin attacks Longboat (349) for 5 damage
   Longboat (349) attacks Sir Causantin but fails to do damage
Turn 7
   Sir Causantin attacks Longboat (349) for 2 damage
   Longboat (349) destroyed
   Attackers win


Battle fought at (23,0):
   Pictland army 331 attacking (1 units)
   Iceland Raiders, Landing Party defending (1 units)

Turn 1
Turn 2
Turn 3
   Galleon (298) attacks Longboat (347) for 6 damage
   Longboat (347) attacks Galleon (298) for 1 damage
Turn 4
   Galleon (298) attacks Longboat (347) for 4 damage
   Longboat (347) attacks Galleon (298) but fails to do damage
Turn 5
   Galleon (298) attacks Longboat (347) for 3 damage
   Longboat (347) attacks Galleon (298) but fails to do damage
Turn 6
   Galleon (298) attacks Longboat (347) for 6 damage
   Longboat (347) destroyed
   Attackers win


Battle fought at (27,23):
   Mercia army 309 attacking (1 units)
   Kings Guard defending (15 units)

Turn 1
Turn 2
Turn 3
   Bowmen (277) attacks Mac Alistair Familia for 2 damage
   Causantin Mac Fergusa II charges Bowmen (277) for 6 damage
   Mac Farlan Familia charges Bowmen (277) for 3 damage
   Mac Fergusa Familia charges Bowmen (277) for 8 damage
   Bowmen (277) destroyed
   Defenders win

The Picts handily deal with the meagre raiding party while their King is marching far south on Mercia. The Irish and Anglosaxons move to intercept the slightly larger forces with no great concern.

"Is this it!" scoffed High King Conchobar.

Little did he know that this was only the beginning...

Dane Invasion Rules: The Danes will spawn new units at the edge of the map each year that they still have cash. Other than axemen and longboats, they can only spawn units that they already have on the board. They spawn after each turn is resolved. They can be bought off: Danes will not attack a player's cities the following year if they are given 50 gold.

Turn 52: 866 AD

Player interface
Admin Interface

Mercia - Rolepg
Wessex - Varee
Wales - Zanz
Ireland - Lemon10
Pictland - Kashyyk
Danes - NQT

[Varee]

wait so if peopel keep paying them, they will keep spawning?

[Varee]

umm can boat move in river?

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

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<playerturn player="Varee">
  <tileorders>
    <tileorder type="bRoad" x="28" y="31"/>
    <tileorder type="tClaim" x="22" y="32"/>
  </tileorders>
  <cityorders>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="30">
      <building code="market"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="40">
      <building code="libr"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="rUnit" cityid="6">
      <unittype code="hbow3"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="rUnit" cityid="22">
      <unittype code="bowmen"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="12">
      <building code="smith"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="rUnit" cityid="18">
      <unittype code="bowmen"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="0">
      <building code="shipY"/>
    </cityorder>
  </cityorders>
  <armyorgorders>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="283" x="25" y="32">
      <targetunit unitid="99"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="118"/>
    </armyorgorder>
  </armyorgorders>
  <armyorders>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="271" x="29" y="31">
      <step dx="1" dy="-1"/>
      <step dx="1" dy="-1"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="19" x="28" y="31">
      <step dx="1" dy="0"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="325" x="28" y="33">
      <step dx="1" dy="-1"/>
      <step dx="1" dy="-1"/>
      <step dx="1" dy="-1"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="118" x="25" y="32">
      <step dx="1" dy="-1"/>
      <step dx="1" dy="1"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="270" x="22" y="32">
      <step dx="1" dy="1"/>
      <step dx="1" dy="0"/>
      <step dx="1" dy="-1"/>
      <step dx="1" dy="1"/>
      <step dx="0" dy="1"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="324" x="27" y="34">
      <step dx="1" dy="-1"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="356" x="29" y="36">
      <step dx="-1" dy="-1"/>
      <step dx="-1" dy="-1"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="355" x="26" y="36">
      <step dx="-1" dy="-1"/>
      <step dx="1" dy="-1"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="354" x="24" y="34">
      <step dx="1" dy="1"/>
      <step dx="1" dy="-1"/>
    </armyorder>
  </armyorders></playerturn>

[notquitethere]

wait so if peopel keep paying them, they will keep spawning?

Well, yes. That is how extortion works.

[Kashyyk]

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<playerturn player="Kashyyk">
  <tileorders>
    <tileorder type="bImp" x="23" y="16">
      <improvement code="hunt"/>
    </tileorder>
    <tileorder type="tClaim" x="26" y="0"/>
  </tileorders>
  <cityorders>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="27">
      <building code="wWall"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="rUnit" cityid="16">
      <unittype code="hbow3"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="19">
      <building code="wWall"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="39">
      <building code="univ"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="23">
      <building code="fWall"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="rUnit" cityid="17">
      <unittype code="pike"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="rUnit" cityid="31">
      <unittype code="spear"/>
    </cityorder>
  </cityorders>
  <armyorgorders>
    <armyorgorder type="rnUnit" armyid="360" x="23" y="11">
      <targetunit unitid="370"/>
      <newname>Cavaliers</newname>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="rnArmy" armyid="360" x="23" y="11">
      <newname>More Horses</newname>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="333" x="25" y="15">
      <targetunit unitid="300"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="262"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="dArmy" armyid="333" x="25" y="15"/>
    <armyorgorder type="rnArmy" armyid="262" x="25" y="15">
      <newname>Horses</newname>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="rnUnit" armyid="331" x="23" y="0">
      <targetunit unitid="298"/>
      <newname>Pride of Macleston</newname>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="rnArmy" armyid="331" x="23" y="0">
      <newname>Another Warship</newname>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="rnUnit" armyid="361" x="20" y="19">
      <targetunit unitid="371"/>
      <newname>Glaivemen</newname>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="361" x="20" y="19">
      <targetunit unitid="371"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="243"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="dArmy" armyid="361" x="20" y="19"/>
  </armyorgorders>
  <armyorders>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="279" x="19" y="3">
      <step dx="-1" dy="1"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="360" x="23" y="11">
      <step dx="-1" dy="1"/>
      <step dx="-1" dy="-1"/>
      <step dx="-1" dy="-1"/>
      <step dx="-1" dy="-1"/>
      <step dx="-1" dy="-1"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="262" x="25" y="15">
      <step dx="-1" dy="-1"/>
      <step dx="-1" dy="-1"/>
      <step dx="-1" dy="-1"/>
      <step dx="-1" dy="-1"/>
      <step dx="-1" dy="-1"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="331" x="23" y="0">
      <step dx="1" dy="0"/>
      <step dx="1" dy="1"/>
      <step dx="0" dy="1"/>
      <step dx="-1" dy="1"/>
      <step dx="-1" dy="-1"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="297" x="24" y="0">
      <step dx="1" dy="1"/>
      <step dx="0" dy="1"/>
      <step dx="-1" dy="1"/>
      <step dx="-1" dy="-1"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="298" x="25" y="0">
      <step dx="0" dy="1"/>
      <step dx="0" dy="1"/>
      <step dx="-1" dy="1"/>
      <step dx="-1" dy="-1"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="320" x="25" y="1">
      <step dx="0" dy="1"/>
      <step dx="-1" dy="1"/>
      <step dx="-1" dy="-1"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="319" x="25" y="2">
      <step dx="-1" dy="1"/>
      <step dx="-1" dy="-1"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="220" x="24" y="16">
      <step dx="0" dy="1"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="conq" armyid="166" x="24" y="17"/>
    <armyorder type="conq" armyid="70" x="25" y="17"/>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="219" x="26" y="18">
      <step dx="1" dy="1"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="177" x="27" y="23">
      <step dx="-1" dy="-1"/>
      <step dx="-1" dy="1"/>
      <step dx="-1" dy="1"/>
      <step dx="-1" dy="1"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="236" x="25" y="15">
      <step dx="1" dy="1"/>
    </armyorder>
  </armyorders>
</playerturn>Raze Jedburgh

[notquitethere]

Spoiler: Danes (click to show/hide)

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<playerturn player="NQT">
  <tileorders/>
  <cityorders/>
  <armyorgorders>
    <armyorgorder type="nArmy" armyid="NQT364" x="30" y="24"/>
    <armyorgorder type="rnArmy" armyid="NQT364" x="30" y="24">
      <newname>More Boats</newname>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="336" x="30" y="24">
      <targetunit unitid="341"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="NQT364"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="336" x="30" y="24">
      <targetunit unitid="340"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="NQT364"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="336" x="30" y="24">
      <targetunit unitid="342"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="NQT364"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="336" x="30" y="24">
      <targetunit unitid="360"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="NQT364"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="336" x="30" y="24">
      <targetunit unitid="325"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="NQT364"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="336" x="30" y="24">
      <targetunit unitid="334"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="NQT364"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="nArmy" armyid="NQT365" x="12" y="36"/>
    <armyorgorder type="rnArmy" armyid="NQT365" x="12" y="36">
      <newname>Cornwall Raiding Party</newname>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="334" x="12" y="36">
      <targetunit unitid="302"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="NQT365"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="334" x="12" y="36">
      <targetunit unitid="303"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="NQT365"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="334" x="12" y="36">
      <targetunit unitid="304"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="NQT365"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="334" x="12" y="36">
      <targetunit unitid="305"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="NQT365"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="334" x="12" y="36">
      <targetunit unitid="306"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="NQT365"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="334" x="12" y="36">
      <targetunit unitid="307"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="NQT365"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="334" x="12" y="36">
      <targetunit unitid="308"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="NQT365"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="334" x="12" y="36">
      <targetunit unitid="309"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="NQT365"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="334" x="12" y="36">
      <targetunit unitid="319"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="NQT365"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="334" x="12" y="36">
      <targetunit unitid="321"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="NQT365"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="nArmy" armyid="NQT366" x="31" y="27"/>
    <armyorgorder type="rnArmy" armyid="NQT366" x="31" y="27">
      <newname>Rowboat</newname>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="346" x="31" y="27">
      <targetunit unitid="345"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="NQT366"/>
    </armyorgorder>
  </armyorgorders>
  <armyorders>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="336" x="30" y="24">
      <step dx="-1" dy="0"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="NQT364" x="30" y="24">
      <step dx="-1" dy="-1"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="conq" armyid="347" x="32" y="28"/>
    <armyorder type="conq" armyid="348" x="32" y="29"/>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="349" x="32" y="30">
      <step dx="0" dy="-1"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="350" x="6" y="30">
      <step dx="-1" dy="0"/>
      <step dx="-1" dy="-1"/>
      <step dx="-1" dy="-1"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="362" x="0" y="25">
      <step dx="1" dy="0"/>
      <step dx="1" dy="0"/>
      <step dx="1" dy="0"/>
      <step dx="1" dy="0"/>
      <step dx="1" dy="0"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="NQT365" x="12" y="36">
      <step dx="1" dy="1"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="363" x="17" y="0">
      <step dx="1" dy="1"/>
      <step dx="0" dy="1"/>
      <step dx="0" dy="1"/>
      <step dx="-1" dy="1"/>
      <step dx="0" dy="1"/>
    </armyorder>
  </armyorders>
</playerturn>

[lemon10]

umm can boat move in river?

Nope.

Spoiler: Ireland turn 52 (click to show/hide)

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<playerturn player="Lemon10">
  <tileorders>
    <tileorder type="tClaim" x="10" y="14"/>
    <tileorder type="tClaim" x="13" y="25"/>
    <tileorder type="tClaim" x="17" y="20"/>
  </tileorders>
  <cityorders>
    <cityorder type="rUnit" cityid="14">
      <unittype code="knight"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="21">
      <building code="horsB"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="48">
      <building code="libr"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="38">
      <building code="stabl"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="29">
      <building code="found"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="rUnit" cityid="25">
      <unittype code="gboat"/>
    </cityorder>
  </cityorders>
  <armyorgorders>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="251" x="8" y="24">
      <targetunit unitid="227"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="321"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="251" x="8" y="24">
      <targetunit unitid="240"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="321"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="251" x="8" y="24">
      <targetunit unitid="254"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="321"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="352" x="6" y="26">
      <targetunit unitid="362"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="322"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="304" x="6" y="26">
      <targetunit unitid="272"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="322"/>
    </armyorgorder>
  </armyorgorders>
  <armyorders>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="221" x="12" y="28">
      <step dx="-1" dy="0"/>
      <step dx="-1" dy="0"/>
      <step dx="-1" dy="0"/>
      <step dx="-1" dy="1"/>
      <step dx="-1" dy="0"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="321" x="8" y="24">
      <step dx="-1" dy="1"/>
      <step dx="-1" dy="1"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="2" x="14" y="18">
      <step dx="-1" dy="1"/>
      <step dx="-1" dy="1"/>
    </armyorder>
  </armyorders>
</playerturn>

Hmmm... At this rate they may indeed end up as a real threat if they manage to survive a while.

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

Does it cost the entirety of movement to land forces?

[Rolepgeek]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

<playerturn player="Rolep">
  <tileorders/>
  <cityorders>
    <cityorder type="subPop" cityid="42"/>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="9">
      <building code="hFount"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="45">
      <building code="bowyer"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="4">
      <building code="wWall"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="11">
      <building code="baz"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="43">
      <building code="market"/>
    </cityorder>
  </cityorders>
  <armyorgorders>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="353" x="27" y="25">
      <targetunit unitid="363"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="353"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="290" x="27" y="25">
      <targetunit unitid="258"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="223"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="306" x="27" y="25">
      <targetunit unitid="274"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="223"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="rnUnit" armyid="223" x="27" y="25">
      <targetunit unitid="274"/>
      <newname>Mercian Sharpshooters</newname>
    </armyorgorder>
  </armyorgorders>
  <armyorders>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="308" x="26" y="26">
      <step dx="1" dy="-1"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="conq" armyid="291" x="27" y="28"/>
  </armyorders>
</playerturn>

[notquitethere]

Does it cost the entirety of movement to land forces?

No. But it does take an entire turn to enter a city that's at least at population 3.

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

Does it cost the entirety of movement to land forces?

No. But it does take an entire turn to enter a city that's at least at population 3.

City actions are completed before army movement, correct?

[Rolepgeek]

Does it cost the entirety of movement to land forces?

No. But it does take an entire turn to enter a city that's at least at population 3.

City actions are completed before army movement, correct?

Yes

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

<playerturn player="Zanzetkuken">
  <tileorders/>
  <cityorders>
    <cityorder type="rUnit" cityid="34">
      <unittype code="sword"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="rUnit" cityid="7">
      <unittype code="cbowmen"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="33">
      <building code="fWall"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="35">
      <building code="eng"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="13">
      <building code="baz"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="24">
      <building code="arcR"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="rnCity" cityid="35">
      <cityname>The Welsh Northumbrian Refugee Camp</cityname>
    </cityorder>
  </cityorders>
  <armyorgorders>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="359" x="16" y="36">
      <targetunit unitid="369"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="105"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="rnUnit" armyid="105" x="16" y="36">
      <targetunit unitid="369"/>
      <newname>4th Machynlleth Crossbowmen</newname>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="358" x="19" y="30">
      <targetunit unitid="368"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="111"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="rnUnit" armyid="111" x="19" y="30">
      <targetunit unitid="368"/>
      <newname>4th Lampeter Knights</newname>
    </armyorgorder>
  </armyorgorders>
  <armyorders>
    <armyorder type="conq" armyid="351" x="23" y="22"/>
  </armyorders>
</playerturn>

By the way Pictland, why are you continuing your southern campaign?  Considering your military, the most will probably spawn near your shores in order to balance the difficulty in fending them off.

Plus, only way to win now is to beat the danes.