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Grahar

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Undead siege does nothing?
« on: July 10, 2014, 07:57:21 am »

I just got sieged by undead in my new fort. But instead of crawling into the fort, they just stand at the corner of the map. There is a hostile alive goblin marksman, who runs around between the undead and does not get attacked. Did this happen to anyone else? Is it supposed to be that way?
Edit: one mystery solved: The marksgoblin was apparently from the same group as the undead. It seems undead do not attack every living being anymore. (Makes me kind of wonder why undead in towers attack their necromancers. Maybe the groups are messed up)
« Last Edit: July 10, 2014, 08:05:39 am by Grahar »
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Re: Undead siege does nothing?
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2014, 10:35:01 am »

I just got sieged by undead in my new fort. But instead of crawling into the fort, they just stand at the corner of the map. There is a hostile alive goblin marksman, who runs around between the undead and does not get attacked. Did this happen to anyone else? Is it supposed to be that way?
Edit: one mystery solved: The marksgoblin was apparently from the same group as the undead. It seems undead do not attack every living being anymore. (Makes me kind of wonder why undead in towers attack their necromancers. Maybe the groups are messed up)

Oh yeah, the groups are very much messed up in 40.01.
I've seen a screenshot of a friendly bogeyman.
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Re: Undead siege does nothing?
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2014, 07:36:21 pm »

Yeah, groups seem pretty bugged up. As a adventurer I had a friendly conversation with a goblin in the village I owned, then his buddies showed up to invade the village and ignored me. Then, within less than a day, a army of elves and dwarves showed up trying to conquer the goblin town. A huge fight insued, and many elite elven archers, goblin pikemen, and axedwarves died. Meanwhile, I stood on a hill with my goblin friend eating fruits, and discussing his family. It was a good day...  :D
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« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2014, 07:39:30 pm »

Elves AND dwarves? Were they bandits or an actual allied force of dorfs and elves? If it's the latter, you must exterminate that civilization for violating the sacred tenants of dwarfkind, though now that I think about it, before doing that you should check to see if the elven civilization is, by chance, surprisingly dorfy, in which case I'd spare them.
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« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2014, 11:04:34 am »

Elves AND dwarves? Were they bandits or an actual allied force of dorfs and elves? If it's the latter, you must exterminate that civilization for violating the sacred tenants of dwarfkind, though now that I think about it, before doing that you should check to see if the elven civilization is, by chance, surprisingly dorfy, in which case I'd spare them.
Dwarven bandits, elven army. the dwarves were mugging people in the streets before the fighting started. It's funny, one goblin was mugged and had his knife taken from him, then his boots.
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Re: Undead siege does nothing?
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2014, 11:07:06 am »

Elves AND dwarves? Were they bandits or an actual allied force of dorfs and elves? If it's the latter, you must exterminate that civilization for violating the sacred tenants of dwarfkind, though now that I think about it, before doing that you should check to see if the elven civilization is, by chance, surprisingly dorfy, in which case I'd spare them.
Dwarven bandits, elven army. the dwarves were mugging people in the streets before the fighting started. It's funny, one goblin was mugged and had his knife taken from him, then his boots.
Edit: Just checked and apparently the elven civ was conquered by dwarves and attacked the city, along with dwarven bandits who just happened to be there.
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« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2015, 03:49:33 am »

I just got sieged by undead in my new fort. But instead of crawling into the fort, they just stand at the corner of the map. There is a hostile alive goblin marksman, who runs around between the undead and does not get attacked. Did this happen to anyone else? Is it supposed to be that way?

I just saw this in my fort. A group consisting of a live human swordsman and four undeads (two elves, one goblin and one human) appeared in the corner of the map. The undead kept moving around the human ignoring my fort and my dwarves.

Spring arrives, and the ice they were walking over melts. The human drowns, and the undead start walking towards my entrance, where they're all caught in cage traps. They're now having fun in the bottom of a pit deep inside my fort.

I expect more fun in upcoming sieges.
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« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2015, 06:54:36 am »

Yes undead pathing is very hit or miss lately.  I've had forts where they don't come anywhere near, and I've also had forts where they beelined for the first available entrance.  It's just luck of the embark, I guess.
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Re: Undead siege does nothing?
« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2015, 01:08:01 pm »

I recently had a undead siege and i thought it would be relevant to post on this thread.

There was two necromancers, but they just ran off the map. But the zombies are still here. Goblins, humans, elves, all armed. They just killed my watchkitty now. I'm thinking about sending my 8 men millitary (Two axemen, three spearmen and three swordmen) but it's likely they're going to die. Well, shit.
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Re: Undead siege does nothing?
« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2015, 01:46:25 pm »

Magnum, if I recall correctly, most of the glitches mentioned in this post were fixed between July of last year and 40.24. You might have some weird glitches and/or odd things happening, but please don't resurrect posts this old. There is no correlation between this thread and your issues.
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« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2015, 02:04:54 pm »

Magnum, if I recall correctly, most of the glitches mentioned in this post were fixed between July of last year and 40.24. You might have some weird glitches and/or odd things happening, but please don't resurrect posts this old. There is no correlation between this thread and your issues.
Actually, if you check the timestamps, Magnum isn't the one that necro'd this.
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« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2015, 06:45:40 pm »

I'm also not entirely sure the issue has been resolved.  I've seen this occur in .40.24 embarks as well as the older ones.
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I'm new to succession forts in general, yes, but do all forts designed by multiple overseers inevitably degenerate into a body-filled labyrinth of chaos and despair like this? Or is this just a Battlefailed thing?

There isn't much middle ground between killed-by-dragon and never-seen-by-dragon.

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« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2015, 02:04:45 pm »

I can confirm that this issue is not fixed.

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All of the goblins there are undead... they showed up with three necros from the local tower.  The necros pathed into the fort as normal (and have subsequently been caged and sent swimming in magma).  The zombies just stand there.  They won't move, they will attack if lured but return to the swarm as soon as they kill/lose sight of the target.  They do not make any attempt to path into the fort.
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I'm new to succession forts in general, yes, but do all forts designed by multiple overseers inevitably degenerate into a body-filled labyrinth of chaos and despair like this? Or is this just a Battlefailed thing?

There isn't much middle ground between killed-by-dragon and never-seen-by-dragon.

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Re: Undead siege does nothing?
« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2015, 04:43:57 pm »

The issue with undead and living warriors mixing and not attacking each other is still ongoing in 40.24 , i had it in one of my fortresses
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« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2015, 07:32:36 pm »

Yes, I finally had to use DFHack to get rid of them since there was no way to get them to move and there was no way my militia could fight 100+ zombie archers at once.  It kind of took the fun out of the fort for me.  Think I will retire this one and start a new one  :(
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I'm new to succession forts in general, yes, but do all forts designed by multiple overseers inevitably degenerate into a body-filled labyrinth of chaos and despair like this? Or is this just a Battlefailed thing?

There isn't much middle ground between killed-by-dragon and never-seen-by-dragon.
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