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Author Topic: DF2014 (v0.40.24) Worldgen Cookbook Thread!  (Read 161220 times)

vjek

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Re: DF2014 (v0.40.08+) Worldgen Cookbook Thread!
« Reply #135 on: August 25, 2014, 09:01:13 am »
Quote from: Ledi on August 25, 2014, 02:10:52 am
... Or should I just create a world and go for it wherever I feel I'd have fun?
That's what I do now.  Typically, there's no need to pierce the aquifer, if you embark somewhere that has no aquifer on half of your embark, and aquifer on the other half.  You just dig around it, and use it as a water source.  That covers that part.

It's possible to get to magma within 12-20 Z levels.  When you consider it vertically, even 20 steps for a dwarf really isn't that far on an efficient layout.  It's also possible to go from embark to magma without breaching the caverns, if you're careful.

Personally, I decide on my goals, first, then design the world and embark to fit those goals.  Do I want to fight Titans, MB, SMB, Clowns, FB's, Goblins, random savage wildlife, undead?  Just one of those enemy types, in fortress mode, can be quite fun.  I mean, if you adjust progress triggers for population (post embark) to 1 from 3, you can get sieges of 90+ goblins mixed with trolls. It's just wave after wave of traps/automation/military slaughter. :)

On the other hand, you can make a world devoid of humanoids and stick to breaching the HFS.  That takes some real forethought, but in all cases, you only need two things for a fort to be long term..  A completely secure water supply and then as a result, some place to farm underground.  Once you have the water, you can make mud anywhere and farm mud on rock right next to your magma forges, if you want.  And all of that is withOUT dfhack.  If you're willing to take that step, well, you can embark anywhere and two commands later, your water source and magma forges are done, and you can focus on whatever megaproject strikes your imagination.  8)  Ice castle!  Hunters only! Obsidian farm!  Masterwork for everyone!  Pressure plate maze of floor spikes!

I don't want to seem like I don't enjoy providing these embarks.  I do.  I wouldn't do it if I didn't like it, I was just pointing out that DF can be a MORE fun game by customizing/tailoring the world and embark to your current gameplay goals.
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Re: DF2014 (v0.40.08+) Worldgen Cookbook Thread!
« Reply #136 on: August 25, 2014, 11:18:16 am »
If I'm wanting to generate a non-polar world, which advanced settings do I have to change to have it not reject due to insufficient glaciation?
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It's a dwarf.  Their natural habitat is "trapped on the wrong side of a wall".

Quote from: Badger Storm on February 12, 2015, 02:45:32 pm
Flinging children halfway across the map to land in magma is good, wholesome fun, but extramarital reproduction?  Why, that's just unseemly!

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« Reply #137 on: August 25, 2014, 05:59:19 pm »
You make such a good point Vjek. I've been worrying about rivers this whole time when aquifers would be so much easier  :-[

So here is my request:
  • 4x4 Totally flat embark
  • Aquifer in a corner or edge
  • Volcano on surface or spire
  • Trees (feather trees are nice)
  • Sand
  • Iron
  • Flux
  • All Civ's

Would I able to change the Civ's around later or does that become part of the seed? Was thinking of modding in some more nastiness to fight.

Thanks.
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Re: DF2014 (v0.40.08+) Worldgen Cookbook Thread!
« Reply #138 on: August 25, 2014, 06:28:33 pm »
Quote from: PLANKS on August 25, 2014, 05:59:19 pm
You make such a good point Vjek. I've been worrying about rivers this whole time when aquifers would be so much easier  :-[

So here is my request:
  • 4x4 Totally flat embark
  • Aquifer in a corner or edge
  • Volcano on surface or spire
  • Trees (feather trees are nice)
  • Sand
  • Iron
  • Flux
  • All Civ's

Would I able to change the Civ's around later or does that become part of the seed? Was thinking of modding in some more nastiness to fight.

Thanks.
This matches, but the volcano is in the middle of a lake. :)
If you don't like it, I'll find another, but this one I found quickly, and lake aside, it matches all other parameters except being flat.  Up to you, just thought it was interesting enough to share.
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80 tiles of aquifer on the NNW edge, just a single Z-Level (136)
You can change History, Name, and Creature Seeds, as long as you leave "Seed" alone, you should get the same geography/geology.
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Re: DF2014 (v0.40.08+) Worldgen Cookbook Thread!
« Reply #139 on: August 25, 2014, 06:55:05 pm »
Quote from: vjek on August 25, 2014, 06:28:33 pm
Quote from: PLANKS on August 25, 2014, 05:59:19 pm
You make such a good point Vjek. I've been worrying about rivers this whole time when aquifers would be so much easier  :-[

So here is my request:
  • 4x4 Totally flat embark
  • Aquifer in a corner or edge
  • Volcano on surface or spire
  • Trees (feather trees are nice)
  • Sand
  • Iron
  • Flux
  • All Civ's

Would I able to change the Civ's around later or does that become part of the seed? Was thinking of modding in some more nastiness to fight.

Thanks.
This matches, but the volcano is in the middle of a lake. :)
If you don't like it, I'll find another, but this one I found quickly, and lake aside, it matches all other parameters except being flat.  Up to you, just thought it was interesting enough to share.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
80 tiles of aquifer on the NNW edge, just a single Z-Level (136)
You can change History, Name, and Creature Seeds, as long as you leave "Seed" alone, you should get the same geography/geology.

That's a really interesting embark. But I kinda wanted abit more ground and less water hah.

BTW any reliable water source is fine if you get a lake in the corner that's just as good as an aquifer.
« Last Edit: August 25, 2014, 06:57:31 pm by PLANKS »
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Re: DF2014 (v0.40.08+) Worldgen Cookbook Thread!
« Reply #140 on: August 26, 2014, 05:34:00 am »
Quote from: vjek on August 25, 2014, 09:01:13 am

It's possible to get to magma within 12-20 Z levels.  When you consider it vertically, even 20 steps for a dwarf really isn't that far on an efficient layout.  It's also possible to go from embark to magma without breaching the caverns, if you're careful.

Personally, I decide on my goals, first, then design the world and embark to fit those goals.  Do I want to fight Titans, MB, SMB, Clowns, FB's, Goblins, random savage wildlife, undead?  Just one of those enemy types, in fortress mode, can be quite fun.  I mean, if you adjust progress triggers for population (post embark) to 1 from 3, you can get sieges of 90+ goblins mixed with trolls. It's just wave after wave of traps/automation/military slaughter. :)

Hrmmm... that's a fun part, because usually my goals are to create a happy, healthy, sustainable fort. I mean, I used one fort to try and learn how to set military up, one for the metal industry... I tend to play safe, I enjoy my drwarves being happy moreso than getting slaughtered left right and centre. I'm unsure what really to poke for, it's why I usually go for the volc/everything combo.
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Quote from: ThatAussieGuy on July 18, 2012, 01:28:32 am
So Ledi's been training the cats into an army of disposable warbeasts?  Why did no-one think of this sooner?!
Quote from: EmeraldWind on August 31, 2012, 10:28:18 pm
Hellcannon seemed to be constantly on the verge of death and Levergedon before my turn helped, but ultimately what killed it was Ledi's cat army.

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« Reply #141 on: August 26, 2014, 02:59:14 pm »
What's a good param set to get lots of high elevation cliffs? I'd like to start a new fort in a cliff (preferrably a sheer vertical cliff), though I still need some arable land.
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« Reply #142 on: August 27, 2014, 05:00:17 am »
vjek can the flat volcano setups you make be made in large regions?

I've tried copying some of your parameters over to large region and I get rejections. Its still running so I'll see what happens. 
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« Reply #143 on: August 27, 2014, 10:56:49 am »
Anybody know of good param settings to get sheer vertical cliffs? I know turning off erode extreme cliffs helps.
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« Reply #144 on: August 27, 2014, 09:11:38 pm »
*bump* Anybody?
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« Reply #145 on: August 29, 2014, 06:58:16 am »
Alright, let's try a 'now for something completely different'! I'd like to make a chaos world - where anything can be next to anything. I've already tweaked variance and subregions up to max, but what else can I do to increase the likeligood of finding 4 diffrent biomes in a 2x2 embark? XD Are weighted meshes any good here? Erosion cycles? Subregions?

Edit to add: I'm basing what I have off of the "Patchwork" map in the .31 page of the wiki, http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/v0.31:Worldgen_examples#Patchwork for reference.
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Quote from: ThatAussieGuy on July 18, 2012, 01:28:32 am
So Ledi's been training the cats into an army of disposable warbeasts?  Why did no-one think of this sooner?!
Quote from: EmeraldWind on August 31, 2012, 10:28:18 pm
Hellcannon seemed to be constantly on the verge of death and Levergedon before my turn helped, but ultimately what killed it was Ledi's cat army.

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« Reply #146 on: August 29, 2014, 10:05:08 am »
Quote from: smjjames on August 27, 2014, 10:56:49 am
Anybody know of good param settings to get sheer vertical cliffs? I know turning off erode extreme cliffs helps.

Turn off PERIODICALLY_ERODE_EXTREMES, set EROSION_CYCLE_COUNT to 0 (though I'm not even sure this makes much of a difference) and set the Elevation variance to max. I don't think there's anything else you can do. I suspect it's not possible to get completely vertical cliffs (i.e. without ramps) more than a few levels high.

edit: For finding cliffs I'd recommend exporting the elevation map and looking for potential embark sites there.
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« Reply #147 on: August 29, 2014, 01:35:53 pm »
Naw, I have gotten vertical cliffs 30-50 z levels high. But I don't think you can make it happen other than getting lucky. Definitely set erosion low (I don't know about ZERO... everything will be horribly ugly, but whatever, experiment). Possibly also increase river count before erosion, and decrease number after (I think, again experiment with those variables)

Then during embark, hit tab until you get the vision filters for "cliffs" and "elevation" and try out sites that looks extreme.

Exporting the map does work too, but I don't think it gives you any higher resolution than the filter in game (because I don't think that resolution exists prior to making a fort), might be wrong about that.
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Re: DF2014 (v0.40.08+) Worldgen Cookbook Thread!
« Reply #148 on: August 29, 2014, 05:03:25 pm »
Quote from: GavJ on August 29, 2014, 01:35:53 pm
Naw, I have gotten vertical cliffs 30-50 z levels high. But I don't think you can make it happen other than getting lucky. Definitely set erosion low (I don't know about ZERO... everything will be horribly ugly, but whatever, experiment). Possibly also increase river count before erosion, and decrease number after (I think, again experiment with those variables)

Then during embark, hit tab until you get the vision filters for "cliffs" and "elevation" and try out sites that looks extreme.

Exporting the map does work too, but I don't think it gives you any higher resolution than the filter in game (because I don't think that resolution exists prior to making a fort), might be wrong about that.

I've only gotten very high cliffs when there's a river canyon. But I also haven't looked very much. I prefer flat embarks.

The resolution from exporting the map is the same as the ingame resolution, i.e. 1 pixel = 1 embark square. But with an exported map it's much easier to scan large areas.
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« Reply #149 on: August 30, 2014, 04:57:42 am »
...Is it even possible to get a 2x2 with 4 different biomes?

I'd like 3-4 biomes, one of them good, preferably no evil, water (I have aquifers disabled, but could reenable them if needed), iron, flux, trees, soil and sand. Neighbours of Humans and Elves, goblins are okay, would prefer no towers (I'm still a wimp)

A couple of days so far of genning and I've turned up nothing... can I summon the magic of Vjek or company to save me? XD
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Quote from: ThatAussieGuy on July 18, 2012, 01:28:32 am
So Ledi's been training the cats into an army of disposable warbeasts?  Why did no-one think of this sooner?!
Quote from: EmeraldWind on August 31, 2012, 10:28:18 pm
Hellcannon seemed to be constantly on the verge of death and Levergedon before my turn helped, but ultimately what killed it was Ledi's cat army.
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