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[Teneb]

Is it still possible to intentionally kill off civs in worldgen?
Gave a race CHILD and LITTERSIZE 100 and MAXAGE 5:5 in the hope they would make a few towns/cities and then die off, dotting the landscape with ruins.
However, they almost always survive for over 200 years - looking through legends, it looks like new members are popping out of the ether to replace the dead.

Is there some way to stop the civ from spawning new members and avoiding extinction?

[CARNIVORE]?

Carnivores don't seem to die off anymore, several worlds I've genned with my mod have had dingo men civilisations as the dominant lifeform on the planet.

I think it's related to civs not needing [BABY:X] and [CHILD:X] anymore.

[Knight Otu]

I think it's related to civs not needing [BABY:X] and [CHILD:X] anymore.

It's more likely because historical figures no longer starve to death in world gen. Entity populations still can starve.

[Sergarr]

I think it's related to civs not needing [BABY:X] and [CHILD:X] anymore.

It's more likely because historical figures no longer starve to death in world gen. Entity populations still can starve.

I wonder why would Toady change that?

[kiwiphoenix]

Why not take away their capability to reproduce and in their entity raws, give them an insanely high starting pop number?

Oh, sorry, should have mentioned - if I make them monogender, then they never get placed during worldgen at all.
Also, START_GROUP_NUMBER seems to have been removed in v0.40.x.

So, it sounds like none of the traditional methods work anymore? Well, I guess the Toad giveth jumping and climbing, and taketh mass-producible ruins. 

[Knight Otu]

I think it's related to civs not needing [BABY:X] and [CHILD:X] anymore.

It's more likely because historical figures no longer starve to death in world gen. Entity populations still can starve.

I wonder why would Toady change that?

See here.

I might be missing something basic, but that's what it is.  The starvation was causing the vast majority of the deaths in world gen and making the memory/speed situation impossible (since they'd be replaced quickly by children and elevated pop figs over and over as the famine continued etc.).  In addition, it was starving historical figures at the same rate as the entity population, but we could reason that the reason these guys are historical is that they are the ones that didn't starve at random.

Also, START_GROUP_NUMBER seems to have been removed in v0.40.x.

It's been doing nothing for a long while, since the introduction of entity populations. It's just been kept around for raw compatibility, I guess.

[Eктωρ]

I've made a little mod with several human civs, they are way too peaceful, even if their values and stuff conflict. How can I make then go to war more often?

[Ladygolem]

How strongly do they conflict? Keep in mind how different dwarf and elf ethics are, and yet they're usually more or less at peace with each other. Try pushing the ethics conflicts to the extreme - either UNTHINKABLE or ACCEPTABLE.

If that doesn't work, you could always give some of them SKULKING or BABYSNATCHER, which will put them into the same 'faction' as kobolds and goblins, respectively.

[StagnantSoul]

1: If I changed something in the main raws, say, the weight of a metal, would that affect already genned worlds?
2: How would I make a smelter reaction require bones of a dragon? I remember someone told me a general way to do it, but I couldn't quite understand it and kind of messed up.

[ArKFallen]

1: If I changed something in the main raws, say, the weight of a metal, would that affect already genned worlds?

If you mean DF exe directory\raw\objects then no. Those raws are simply the base for worlds generated afterwards. You need to fiddle with Dwarf Fortress v.40.19\data\save\<save folder name>\raw\objects to affect a save world. Though adding new IDs to a world doesn't work and deleting IDs can break the game.

2: How would I make a smelter reaction require bones of a dragon? I remember someone told me a general way to do it, but I couldn't quite understand it and kind of messed up.

[REAGENT:<whatever>:1:NONE:NONE:CREATURE_MAT:DRAGON:BONE][USE_BODY_COMPONENT][DOES_NOT_DETERMINE_PRODUCT_AMOUNT] (maybe slap [ANY_BONE_MATERIAL] on at the end for good measure) placed into the smelter reaction will make it need 1 unspecified item made of dragon bone. The item must have been part of a living creature. If the item comes in a stack greater than one, disregard it an make the normal amount of product for the reaction.

[StagnantSoul]

Like so?

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

[REACTION:BURNING_STEEL_MAKING]
[NAME:make burning steel bars]
[BUILDING:SMELTER:NONE]
[REAGENT:A:300:BAR:NO_SUBTYPE:METAL:STEEL]
[REAGENT:B:1:NONE:NONE:CREATURE_MAT:DRAGON:BONE][USE_BODY_COMPONENT][DOES_NOT_DETERMINE_PRODUCT_AMOUNT]
[REAGENT:C:1:BOULDER:NO_SUBTYPE:NONE:NONE][REACTION_CLASS:FLUX]
[REAGENT:D:300:BAR:NO_SUBTYPE:COAL:NO_MATGLOSS]
[PRODUCT:100:3:BAR:NO_SUBTYPE:METAL:BURNING_STEEL][PRODUCT_DIMENSION:150]
[FUEL]
[SKILL:SMELT]

[Ladygolem]

Doesn't [FUEL] mean that it will require coal anyway? Wouldn't that make reagent D redundant?

[Putnam]

You need more coal than just the fuel to make steel.

[StagnantSoul]

It's a step up from steel basically, just heavier, sharper, and better at defence. Specifically, as sharp as divine metals, as heavy as gold, and better at defence than steel. It follows the same pattern of needing flux and extra fuel, since the bone would throw that perfect balance off some.

EDIT: It would only require one dragon, correct? So splitting them up into 1 bone stacks through trade would maximize production?

[ArKFallen]

EDIT: It would only require one dragon, correct? So splitting them up into 1 bone stacks through trade would maximize production?

I'm not sure it's possible to split bone stacks properly (I know Toady did some fixing with stacks recently but I don't know what actually changed ). A workaround would be to require an item made from the material that it normally can't be made into and the only way to make it would be a custom reaction requiring a dragon bone stack(like before) but without [DOES_NOT_DETERMINE_PRODUCT_AMOUNT], so a stack of 30 would make 30 of them. You could then use each individual bone from the stack properly.

This is about the limit on how much I am able to help you on this particular subject. Luck to you.

[Badger Storm]

If I wanted to create a giant version of a wolf but call it a dire wolf instead of a giant wolf, what would I have to tweak for that?