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[dirkdragonslayer]

The first problem is that it doesn't have a tail; the second is that I'm not sure if LWING and RWING are the correct categories (I think the category might just be WING, while those two are tokens, so you want BY_TOKEN if you want those; or you could just use BY_CATEGORY:WING)

I know people must say this a lot, but you are awesome Putnam, thanks!

[GavJ]

For anybody who knows a bit about source code:

Does the worldgen algorithm determine every single game tile at worldgen at some point (such as, after rivers, prior to erosion)?  Or does it only go down to embark tile resolution, and then interpolate the fine details ONLY when you go to start a fort or your adventurer approaches an area (similar to, say, minecraft)?

[Putnam]

For anybody who knows a bit about source code:

Does the worldgen algorithm determine every single game tile at worldgen at some point (such as, after rivers, prior to erosion)?  Or does it only go down to embark tile resolution, and then interpolate the fine details ONLY when you go to start a fort or your adventurer approaches an area (similar to, say, minecraft)?

AFAIK it's the latter.

[Rose]

The latter, definately the latter.

There's four levels of detail in the world: region, embark tile, map block (don't know the proper name for this one) and fortress tiles.

The game keeps the region map in memory, which each region is 16x16 embark tiles. This is the level of detail exported when you save an ascii map.

Map on the embark tile level is either generated on the fly, or saved to and loaded from disk, I'm not sure. I just know that only the needed ones are kept in memory (a few surrounding ones in fort mode, and whatever you can see on the travel map in adventure mode) This is the level of detail used when exporting the detailed maps from legends mode.

Then there's the map used inside cities when fast traveling in adventure mode. I don't know much about this one.

Finally there's the dwarf mode tile level. this one is familiar.

[Repseki]

Throwing together some Adventure Mode reactions I came across the [METAL_ARMOR_LEVELS] and [CHAIN_METAL_TEXT] tags for armor/clothing, which I hadn't seen being used in various mods I've browsed through.

Is there anything wrong with how they work that might make people avoid them, or anything like that?

Only asking because it seems like they would allow for different armor pieces depending on material without having to add more items. Which might lean towards helping FPS and all that. Of course now that I think about it the difference would probably be to small to really matter.

Not really a new version specific question, but didn't think it really needed it's own thread, so yeah.

[Boltgun]

Throwing together some Adventure Mode reactions I came across the [METAL_ARMOR_LEVELS] and [CHAIN_METAL_TEXT] tags for armor/clothing, which I hadn't seen being used in various mods I've browsed through.

You are right, METAL_ARMOR_LEVELS add +1 to a piece's armor level if it is made of metal. Armor level differentiate protection from clothing to your dwarves. There is nothing wrong with this tag, simply that people often prefer to create armor with labels that clearly make it look like armor.

In example: in vanilla a cloth cap is clothing, a metal cap is a level 1 armor that protect from hits.

CHAIN_METAL_TEXT add 'chain' in front of the name too.

[Quailman]

I am working on creating an interaction that applies a new effect every time the interaction is applied.  Basically, the goal is to use it in adventure mode to balance certain utilities like magic; cast a spell once, you get a headache, cast another, you begin to get dizzy etc. 

I tried to accomplish this by applying new tags that won't have a noticeable effect on an adventurer, like [NO_FEAR] and [LIKES_FIGHTING].  The interaction is then structured as having multiple targets (though all are SELF_ONLY).  Under each of these targets is [IT_REQUIRES:WHATEVER].  Each time the interaction runs, it will add the tag that fulfills the IT_REQUIRES for the next level of the interaction.

However, I just can't seem to get the interaction to actually respect the IT_REQUIRES in the arena.  It seems to apply all three levels of the interaction, even if it does not meet the criteria for any of them.  Any ideas why this would happen?  The interaction is posted in the spoiler below.

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In the creature:

[CAN_DO_INTERACTION:SYN_INC]
[CDI:ADV_NAME:Increment Syndrome]
[CDI:TARGET:A:SELF_ONLY]
[CDI:TARGET_RANGE:A:1]
[CDI:TARGET:B:SELF_ONLY]
[CDI:TARGET_RANGE:B:1]
[CDI:TARGET:C:SELF_ONLY]
[CDI:TARGET_RANGE:C:1]
[CDI:VERB:try to increment to the next syndrome level:tries to increment to the next syndrome level:NA]
[CDI:WAIT_PERIOD:1]

In interaction_standard:

[INTERACTION:SYN_INC]
[I_SOURCE:CREATURE_ACTION]
I begin with target C instead of A because I noticed the syndromes were appearing in the list in the order they were written.  I reordered them to rule out the possibility that DF is checking if the second target is valid immediately after applying the first syndrome.
[I_TARGET:C:CREATURE]
[IT_LOCATION:CONTEXT_CREATURE]
[IT_REQUIRES:NOFEAR]
[IT_CANNOT_HAVE_SYNDROME_CLASS:INC_3]
[I_TARGET:B:CREATURE]
[IT_LOCATION:CONTEXT_CREATURE]
[IT_REQUIRES:LIKES_FIGHTING]
[IT_CANNOT_HAVE_SYNDROME_CLASS:INC_2]
[I_TARGET:A:CREATURE]
[IT_LOCATION:CONTEXT_CREATURE]
[IT_CANNOT_HAVE_SYNDROME_CLASS:INC_1]
[I_EFFECT:ADD_SYNDROME]
[IE_TARGET:C]
[IE_IMMEDIATE]
[SYNDROME]
[SYN_CLASS:INC_3]
[SYN_NAME:lv_3]
[CE_FLASH_TILE:TILE:67:3:0:0:FREQUENCY:2000:1000:START:0]
[I_EFFECT:ADD_SYNDROME]
[IE_TARGET:B]
[IE_IMMEDIATE]
[SYNDROME]
[SYN_CLASS:INC_2]
[SYN_NAME:lv_2]
[CE_ADD_TAG:NOFEAR:START:0]
[CE_FLASH_TILE:TILE:66:3:0:0:FREQUENCY:2000:1000:START:0]
[I_EFFECT:ADD_SYNDROME]
[IE_TARGET:A]
[IE_IMMEDIATE]
[SYNDROME]
[SYN_CLASS:INC_1]
[SYN_NAME:lv_1]
[CE_ADD_TAG:LIKES_FIGHTING:START:0]
[CE_FLASH_TILE:TILE:65:3:0:0:FREQUENCY:2000:1000:START:0]



[Roses]

I am working on creating an interaction that applies a new effect every time the interaction is applied.  Basically, the goal is to use it in adventure mode to balance certain utilities like magic; cast a spell once, you get a headache, cast another, you begin to get dizzy etc. 

I tried to accomplish this by applying new tags that won't have a noticeable effect on an adventurer, like [NO_FEAR] and [LIKES_FIGHTING].  The interaction is then structured as having multiple targets (though all are SELF_ONLY).  Under each of these targets is [IT_REQUIRES:WHATEVER].  Each time the interaction runs, it will add the tag that fulfills the IT_REQUIRES for the next level of the interaction.

However, I just can't seem to get the interaction to actually respect the IT_REQUIRES in the arena.  It seems to apply all three levels of the interaction, even if it does not meet the criteria for any of them.  Any ideas why this would happen?  The interaction is posted in the spoiler below.

I have had some trouble with multiple targets declared in a single interaction respecting the IT_REQUIRES and such. I'm not sure if it was just an error on my part, but I just scraped the idea and went with multiple interactions.

[Quailman]

Hmm, thanks for the input, Roses.  I'm really hoping somebody knows a way around it, since having individual interactions seems prohibitively inconvenient and messy for the player to navigate.  I've been wrestling with incremental interactions for a while, but I hit a wall like this one every time I think I've got it figured out.

[Zerrer]

You know, I find myself wanting to throw hug and handshake interactions in to go with the spit one, but I don't quite want to use USAGE_HINT:GREETING for the hugs. Is there some kind of positive social response usage hint or something?

[Putnam]

no

[TomiTapio]

You know, I find myself wanting to throw hug and handshake interactions in to go with the spit one, but I don't quite want to use USAGE_HINT:GREETING for the hugs. Is there some kind of positive social response usage hint or something?

Exists [CDI:USAGE_HINT:CLEAN_SELF] and CDI:USAGE_HINT:CLEAN_FRIEND], try clean_friend, it is pretty close.
(ATTACK, TORMENT, GREETING, NEGATIVE_SOCIAL_RESPONSE so there's six different usagehints in the game.)

[TomiTapio]

Everyone who is modding creatures, here's my compilation of animal speeds:
Looks like Toady uses burst speeds, human at 39 kph max. Human sustained is more 8.4(marathon median)-18.7(marathon winner).
(I need infos for my OldGenesis. Some sounds and smell levels too I have.)

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170 kph white-throated needle-tailed swift
145-160 kph spine-tailed swift
153 frigate bird
140 horse-fly-insect?
135 swan_best FLIGHT
109 sailfish swim
98 antelope_best burst, hummingbird, cheetah_burst
900:300:200:100:1900:2900] 87+ kph horse burst?, ostrich burst, pigeon_best_flight
900:327:218:109:1900:2900] 80 kph tiger & lion burst, cougar_burst, gazelle_burst, wildebeest_best, duck flight, biggest_bird_bustard(6-18-21kg)
900:345:230:115:1900:2900] 76 kph quarter horse burst, eagle_best,
900:366:244:122:1900:2900] 72 kph elk burst, goose_sus, hare
900:375:250:125:1900:2900] 70 kph horse burst?, wolf_burst, my_direwolf
900:381:254:127:1900:2900] 69 kph coyote, greyhound_max, big kangaroo, shark_best_swim
900:387:258:129:1900:2900] 68 kph dolphin, Banteng-cattle hybrid(fastest bovine) burst,
900:393:262:131:1900:2900] 67 kph vulture_glide
900:411:274:137:1900:2900] 64 kph ostrich run, zebra, ass, hyena, fox, camel_burst_max,
900:432:288:144:1900:2900] 61 kph pheasant_flight,
900:438:292:146:1900:2900] 60 kph giraffe_burst
900:447:298:149:1900:2900] 59 kph dog, lion, bat_flight, eagle_flight
900:471:314:157:1900:2900] 56 kph llama, jackal, tiger, rabbit?, bear?, polarbear_burst
900:480:320:160:1900:2900] 55 kph moose, rhino_burst
52 T-Rex one estimate
900:519:346:173:1900:2900] 51 kph reindeer
900:528:352:176:1900:2900] 50 kph giraffe_sustained
900:549:366:183:1900:2900] 48 kph waterbuffalo, my bulldog, _deer_, warthog, wolverine, _bear_, cat, horse gallop (for 3km, not burst), eagle/crow sus, gazelle_sus
900:585:390:195:1900:2900] 45 kph human_best_burst, my_dragon_flight
900:612:408:204:1900:2900] 43 kph DF_rabbit
900:627:418:209:1900:2900] 42 kph greater roadrunner (who can still fly)
900:657:438:219:1900:2900] 40 kph donkey, turkey, elephant_tinyburst, gorilla_tinyburst, camel_sustained_run, biglizard_burst, duck_flight_relaxed, eland_theslowestantilope_burst
900:675:450:225:1900:2900] 39 kph DF_human
900:683:468:237:1900:2900] 37 kph
900:687:474:244:1900:2900] 36 kph gentoo penguin swim,
900:691:482:251:1900:2900] 35 kph medium_dinosaur
900:695:489:258:1900:2900] 34 kph minke whale burst swim,
900:699:497:266:1900:2900] 33 kph
900:703:505:274:1900:2900] 32 kph crippled_coyote, crocodile swim, hippo run, bighorn sheep, blue whale, penguin swim
900:707:513:283:1900:2900] 31 kph DF_cavy_rodent, yak?
900:711:521:293:1900:2900] 30 kph DF_dwarf, my_goblin
900:714:529:303:1900:2900] 29 kph amphibian_best run, rabbit, house sparrow flight (quite slow),
900:722:545:325:1900:2900] 27 kph cow?
900:726:553:338:1900:2900] 26 kph jerboa bouncy rat,
900:730:561:351:1900:2900] 25 kph sheep, 3ton_elephant_burst_or_sustained,
900:734:568:366:1900:2900] 24 kph capybara, manatee_swim, sea turtle, honeybee
900:738:576:382:1900:2900] 23 kph [wildfire spreads],
900:742:584:399:1900:2900] 22 kph my_cavy, eland_sustain, belugawhale_swim
900:746:592:418:1900:2900] 21 kph
900:750:600:439:1900:2900] 20 kph big_elephant_burst, penguin_swim, dugong_swim_burst,
1161:938:716:462:2200:3300] 19 kph goat, squirrel, roadrunner_run, turkey run, snake_best_burst, butterfly_migration_average,
1422:1127:831:488:2500:3700] 18 kph DF_pig, T-Rex walk upper estimate,
1683:1315:947:516:2800:4100] 17 kph, crocodile burst 11-14-17-18,
1945:1504:1062:548:3100:4500] 16 kph camel burst?, horse lope gait, elephant seal swim, ghost crab walk,
2206:1692:1178:585:3400:4900] 15 kph dolphin cruise,
2467:1880:1294:627:3700:5300] 14 kph chicken?, humpback whale cruise,
2728:2069:1409:675:4000:5700] 13 kph otter swim,
2990:2257:1525:731:4300:6100] 12 kph
3251:2446:1640:798:4600:6500] 11 kph snake_best
3512:2634:1756:878:4900:6900] 10 kph big_elephant_sustain,
4122:3330:2541:975:5411:7233] 9 kph  8.8 average female marathon runner sustained
4732:4026:3327:1097:5922:7567] 8 kph duck walk, American woodcock flight is world's slowest, wolf_travelspeed
5341:4723:4112:1254:6433:7900] 7 kph 6.7 fastest beetle
6561:6115:5683:1755:7456:8567] 5 kph cockroach
1.77 spider
9000:8900:8825:8775:9500:9900] 1 kph
0.24 sloth


[Putnam]

For easier perusing, here's Toady's compilation included in 0.40.01 in the notes folder:

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This chart stops progressing once it hits 87+, and the numbers are probably a little slow compared to a reasonable tile size, but there had to be some give in both directions until we handle creatures that can move more than one tile per click.  Listed speed is the approximate top speed without att/size boosts (from wherever it was located on the internet etc.).

9000:8900:8825:8775:9500:9900] 1 kph
8390:8204:8040:4388:8989:9567] 2 kph
7780:7508:7254:2925:8478:9233] 3 kph
7171:6811:6469:2193:7967:8900] 4 kph
6561:6115:5683:1755:7456:8567] 5 kph
5951:5419:4898:1463:6944:8233] 6 kph
5341:4723:4112:1254:6433:7900] 7 kph
4732:4026:3327:1097:5922:7567] 8 kph
4122:3330:2541:975:5411:7233] 9 kph
3512:2634:1756:878:4900:6900] 10 kph
3251:2446:1640:798:4600:6500] 11 kph
2990:2257:1525:731:4300:6100] 12 kph
2728:2069:1409:675:4000:5700] 13 kph
2467:1880:1294:627:3700:5300] 14 kph
2206:1692:1178:585:3400:4900] 15 kph
1945:1504:1062:548:3100:4500] 16 kph
1683:1315:947:516:2800:4100] 17 kph
1422:1127:831:488:2500:3700] 18 kph
1161:938:716:462:2200:3300] 19 kph
900:750:600:439:1900:2900] 20 kph
900:746:592:418:1900:2900] 21 kph
900:742:584:399:1900:2900] 22 kph
900:738:576:382:1900:2900] 23 kph
900:734:568:366:1900:2900] 24 kph
900:730:561:351:1900:2900] 25 kph
900:726:553:338:1900:2900] 26 kph
900:722:545:325:1900:2900] 27 kph
900:718:537:313:1900:2900] 28 kph
900:714:529:303:1900:2900] 29 kph
900:711:521:293:1900:2900] 30 kph
900:707:513:283:1900:2900] 31 kph
900:703:505:274:1900:2900] 32 kph
900:699:497:266:1900:2900] 33 kph
900:695:489:258:1900:2900] 34 kph
900:691:482:251:1900:2900] 35 kph
900:687:474:244:1900:2900] 36 kph
900:683:468:237:1900:2900] 37 kph
900:679:458:231:1900:2900] 38 kph
900:675:450:225:1900:2900] 39 kph
900:657:438:219:1900:2900] 40 kph
900:642:428:214:1900:2900] 41 kph
900:627:418:209:1900:2900] 42 kph
900:612:408:204:1900:2900] 43 kph
900:597:398:199:1900:2900] 44 kph
900:585:390:195:1900:2900] 45 kph
900:573:382:191:1900:2900] 46 kph
900:561:374:187:1900:2900] 47 kph
900:549:366:183:1900:2900] 48 kph
900:537:358:179:1900:2900] 49 kph
900:528:352:176:1900:2900] 50 kph
900:519:346:173:1900:2900] 51 kph
900:507:338:169:1900:2900] 52 kph
900:498:332:166:1900:2900] 53 kph
900:489:326:163:1900:2900] 54 kph
900:480:320:160:1900:2900] 55 kph
900:471:314:157:1900:2900] 56 kph
900:462:308:154:1900:2900] 57 kph
900:453:302:151:1900:2900] 58 kph
900:447:298:149:1900:2900] 59 kph
900:438:292:146:1900:2900] 60 kph
900:432:288:144:1900:2900] 61 kph
900:426:284:142:1900:2900] 62 kph
900:417:278:139:1900:2900] 63 kph
900:411:274:137:1900:2900] 64 kph
900:405:270:135:1900:2900] 65 kph
900:399:266:133:1900:2900] 66 kph
900:393:262:131:1900:2900] 67 kph
900:387:258:129:1900:2900] 68 kph
900:381:254:127:1900:2900] 69 kph
900:375:250:125:1900:2900] 70 kph
900:372:248:124:1900:2900] 71 kph
900:366:244:122:1900:2900] 72 kph
900:360:240:120:1900:2900] 73 kph
900:357:238:119:1900:2900] 74 kph
900:351:234:117:1900:2900] 75 kph
900:345:230:115:1900:2900] 76 kph
900:342:228:114:1900:2900] 77 kph
900:336:224:112:1900:2900] 78 kph
900:333:222:111:1900:2900] 79 kph
900:327:218:109:1900:2900] 80 kph
900:324:216:108:1900:2900] 81 kph
900:321:214:107:1900:2900] 82 kph
900:315:210:105:1900:2900] 83 kph
900:312:208:104:1900:2900] 84 kph
900:309:206:103:1900:2900] 85 kph
900:306:204:102:1900:2900] 86 kph
900:300:200:100:1900:2900] 87+ kph

[deepfreeze78]

How exactly do you get to the FB Titan and Demon raws after generating a world? I know that TheFlame52 grabbed some demons from a genned world and stuck em into his mod, how would I go about doing it with FBs Titans and Demons?