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[Loud Whispers]

Indeed.

But Jesus didn't see black people as animals. And that's the point...Jesus wouldn't encourage a genocidal battle with the cat people, dammit!

BUT THE BOOK SAYS!


Don't open spoilers till you've watched 'At World's End.'

Trying to decide whether 'The World's End' or 'Hot Fuzz' is better. So far I'm still sticking with Hot Fuzz, but by god does the amount of work that went into these movies show. I especially love all the subtleties that took rewatching for me to notice and guffaw at; like at the world's end pub where the sign says 'drink responsibly' or where the

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Aliums confuse Gary King to be Gary King of the Humans

or where

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every single last scene is a repeat of the opening scenes with Andy replacing Gary and oh my god, Gary started a new band (the blanks have musical instruments!)

Gotta rewatch hot fuzz now. Top quality.

Every time I rewatch those films I spot something new.

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Like on the wall there is a giant slogan we've heard before: 'To err is human, to forgive divine.' Also if you think about it, the aliums say we're backwards and get caught in a spiral of barbarism and self destruction; the end scenes being a total parallel to the opening scenes show at least part of it is true, we do get caught in a spiral of barbarism and self destruction, but we also move forwards from it all with plenty of good things about us alongside all the crap. It's both optimistic and pessimistic! The best thing in the end was truly for the aliens to fuck off and let us do our own thing. Also in the earlier bar scenes you can usually always spot an extra who does nothing but stare at the 5 musketeers all the way through.

Relevant. Here

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The aliums are not really invading in a war of the worlds sense, here it's more like a cultural invasion. The aliens arrive like a mix between liberal college professors, ultragloblalist corporate starbucks and imperialist christian missionaries; doing their best to homogenize and perfect the imperfections in humans whilst trying to educate them to a higher plane of understanding and civility when the humans just want to be left to revel in the freedom of their self-destructive barbarism.

I especially love that kind of alium invasion because we all have probably heard of HFY before, and as I have said before /tg/ got bored of regular Ol' HFY where humans did what was said in the OP and more or less roflestomped the aliums against adversity and all that, generally playing to our egos and our strengths as much as possible. The gold ol fa/tg/uys decided that that was getting stale and really scrubbed out a lot of what it was to be human, and started playing less to our martialism and will to survive and more to our empathies, cooperation and most importantly: Our flaws. The result was to be more endearing than any other alium or HFY story, and oddly enough was actually more inspiring than regular humanwank. We're really doing a lot better than we give ourselves credit for, considering just how many times we've nearly killed ourselves.

Knowing that, I still support genocide of the cat people.

[TD1]

*Pets LW on the head*

There, there. It'll be alright.

_{Psst someone call the asylum!}

[Loud Whispers]

Cat person sympathizer spotted. Send in the hitsquads.

* Loud Whispers whistles an inaudible tune of indifferent melody

[Frumple]

Seeeriously though, Jesus was perfectly content to sit and watch as a couple thousand intelligent non-humans he stuck inside pigs ran off and drowned -- after they basically threw themselves on his mercy, even! -- and then have some guy run off and brag about it. Love, that is not.

My interpretation of the christian ethos would preclude catmangenocidu as well, but I would hesitate strongly to say that jesus himself would have hesitated to go all purge the xeno/mutant on random catfolk. Everything I've seen point pretty strongly to christ, at best, really not giving a damn (beyond exploitation potential) about anything not human.

[Loud Whispers]

We would have to also silence a few key figures, like St Francis of Assisi or the Buddha. They would have to be condemned to the snake pits.

[Frumple]

Well, St. Francis anyway. Remember, Buddha would go six finger death punch on the kittens. Maybe just catch 'im before the whole enlightenment bit, though then he'd just be stabbing them instead of six finger death punching. Decisions, decisions...

[TD1]

Seeeriously though, Jesus was perfectly content to sit and watch as a couple thousand intelligent non-humans he stuck inside pigs ran off and drowned -- after they basically threw themselves on his mercy, even! -- and then have some guy run off and brag about it. Love, that is not.

My interpretation of the christian ethos would preclude catmangenocidu as well, but I would hesitate strongly to say that jesus himself would have hesitated to go all purge the xeno/mutant on random catfolk. Everything I've seen point pretty strongly to christ, at best, really not giving a damn (beyond exploitation potential) about anything not human.

From what I recall, he stuck some parasitic demons in pigs and then said pigs killed themselves in the river. If a catperson forced itself into someone's body, then sure. As it is, I sincerely doubt that Jesus would order the deaths of catpeople. It just doesn't fit with any of his teachings.

[scriver]

Oh no there! Don't try to demonise the demons like that. You don't know if they were parasites, they might've just been ordinary tenants up until their landlord decided "nuh i dun want u here no more" and went to Jesus.

[Arx]

¹² The demons begged Jesus, “Send us among the pigs; allow us to go into them.” ¹³ He gave them permission, and the impure spirits came out and went into the pigs. The herd, about two thousand in number, rushed down the steep bank into the lake and were drowned.

Mark 5:12-13

[scriver]

But nobody asked the pigs what they wanted, did they? Hah!

[TD1]

Not the pigs, no. But Catpeople? Almost certainly.

[Arx]

No, I think it's safe to say that the lesson here is that all water should have ramps around the edges. 's just not safe otherwise.

[TD1]

In fact, the point could be made that Jesus prioritised the intelligent demons over animals. In which case, he would prioritise the Catpeople over animals also.

[Frumple]

Do remember the rest of the context, though. The landlord didn't even say anything about wanting them gone, they were just begging to be left to live instead of being ran out of town and offered a compromise. Which christ kinda' spat on. Pretty sure ol' jesus would have stopped 2k humans from running off and committing suicide -- assuming that was suicide, and the big J not forcing the pigs to go die, taking the sentient passengers with them.

As I said -- that particular incident really doesn't bode well for the argument that christ views non-humans as neighbors. I don't think them being embodied instead of symbiotic would make much of a difference. Still intelligent, still non-human -- J says, "Go drown in a ditch."

But sure, maybe he wouldn't actively campaign for driving the catpeople to extinction. Look the other way, though...

[TD1]

Alright. Tell me one good thing a demon has ever done. Then, if against the odds you do find one, then tell me what type of demon forces itself into the flesh of humans?