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[Pwned dwarf]

i like it too

[Pwned dwarf]

i'd be cool if elves set a perimeter on your map, imagine, a wooden wall with the only opening being a place for caravans, which is guarded by pathetic melee elves, which are watched by elves on the wall (which has fortifications) or are will it be that theres no walls since elves don't build, just guards.

case 1 of breach: fire titan burns walls and elves to death
case 2 of breach: bronze colossus doesn't care about wooden weapons
case 3 of breach: roc flies over wall

also maybe if you tell the elves about the caverns they will guard you from stuff like that

[Zavvnao]

I think I like hearing all of you talking and thinking.

[Dirst]

I realize this was a bad suggestion already.

I like it.

Anything that distracts the Green Menace from Tree Jihading all over everything is a good idea in my book. It just doesn't feel... Elfy, in the DF sense.
 You need to realize we're dealing with an extreme case of Our Elves Are Different. The elves we have now in Dwarf Fortress aren't your typical tolkenien supermodels, or Blizzard's glowy-eyed fanfiction fodder. These are Keebler Elves from hell that make cookies from your giblets if you so much as look at a tree funny. They don't care about the woodland critters, they just care about the woodlands. Killing and devouring every sapient creature on the planet is perfectly justifiable for them if it's in the defense of their precious trees. They've done it many times before and they're going to continue to do so at every opportunity.

The behavior you've suggested is very elfy, it's just not the DF forest elf's particular idiom at the moment. If their methods ever change, this should definitely be a thing. It's already partially supported, there's an ethics value for killing animals no vanilla civ uses. It would be neat to see another race of elves that values animal life over plant life, and protects endangered species as you've described. Better still if they get into wars with the original elves over which is more valuable, pants or animals. Elves killing elves for me would be great.

I've always pictured DF Elves as being like the ElfQuest Wolfriders, kind of what elves would be like if they were Stone Age tech and no one ever taught them table manners.

There's no reason the preservation couldn't be flipped over to endangered plants.  Then you can see a squad of wood-swingers station itself around that one strawberry bush in your embark site.  Suddenly, the Overseer decides there is an urgent need for a channeled moat that runs through that tile...

[Zavvnao]

That sounds fitting with plants. I can imagine if they ever have certain plants coming from population population pools they would be like that.

[mate888]

And what if the creature they try to protect is unfriendly to elves or nature? (Like goblins)
Or what if that species they are protecting is hated by everyone? (Like kobolds)
And also, as every Forgotten Beast is the only one of its kind, wouldn't elves try to protect them too?

[FallenAngel]

In my opinion, elves should care about endangered species but not actively preserve them.
If the populations of wolves are very low in a region, elves will be horrified more than they usually are by you killing one.
They're tree-huggers, not valiant protectors of wildlife.
They do seem to care at least a little.

[mate888]

In my opinion, elves should care about endangered species but not actively preserve them.
If the populations of wolves are very low in a region, elves will be horrified more than they usually are by you killing one.
They're tree-huggers, not valiant protectors of wildlife.
They do seem to care at least a little.

Yeah, that sounds more elvish to do, instead of making a wolf reservation for the wolves of X region, they just protect them more indirectly.
A suspicsious arrow casually flies to the Marksdwarf's head!
Urist Mc Dwarf was strick down.

[Dirst]

The giant tick is struck down!
The last giant tick in the world has been struck down.
Frilly Leafypants, elven archer (to Jewelspeckles Ponybreath, elven archer): It was inevitable.

[Dovale]

Anything that distracts the Green Menace from Tree Jihading all over everything is a good idea in my book. It just doesn't feel... Elfy, in the DF sense.
 You need to realize we're dealing with an extreme case of Our Elves Are Different. The elves we have now in Dwarf Fortress aren't your typical tolkenien supermodels, or Blizzard's glowy-eyed fanfiction fodder. These are Keebler Elves from hell that make cookies from your giblets if you so much as look at a tree funny. They don't care about the woodland critters, they just care about the woodlands. Killing and devouring every sapient creature on the planet is perfectly justifiable for them if it's in the defense of their precious trees. They've done it many times before and they're going to continue to do so at every opportunity.

Our elves are Llanowar elves lite. "One bone broken for every twig snapped underfoot".

[Zavvnao]

Our elves are Llanowar elves lite. "One bone broken for every twig snapped underfoot".

I was waitingfor somone to make that reference due to also playing mtg.

[Dovale]

Our elves are Llanowar elves lite. "One bone broken for every twig snapped underfoot".

I was waitingfor somone to make that reference due to also playing mtg.

My favorite portrayal of elves was in the Lorwyn exansion. "See, the elves of Lorwyn have a different relationship to nature than other planes' elves. They regard nature as something to be improved, cultivated, and if necessary, rearranged. One elvish perfect named Eidren had all of the trees of his native Gilt-Leaf Wood uprooted and rearranged to create a pattern he found more beautiful." They call ugly creatures "eyeblights" and hunt them mercilessly.

Elfs can be so well portrayed as things other than wildlife conservationists.

[Zavvnao]

That makes sense. And the Selesnya elves of Ravnica seem to be more about brainwashing than nature preservation, while the Golgari ones are more self-serving.

[Dovale]

That makes sense. And the Selesnya elves of Ravnica seem to be more about brainwashing than nature preservation, while the Golgari ones are more self-serving.

I have a Selesnya deck! Peaceful. Preachy. Picture: an elvish embassy arriving at your drawbridge to ask you if you heard the "good word" and offer you the mercy of the forrest spirit. What do you do? Do tell.

[Zavvnao]

Maybe listen a little bit, but not get too close probably till I know what they are talking about.