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Author Topic: Hell/Jack Chick/Bible/Christianity etc. Discussion thread  (Read 33352 times)

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Re: Hell/Jack Chick/Bible/Christianity etc. Discussion thread
« Reply #135 on: August 22, 2014, 04:35:59 am »

Well, to get back on topic, I think it's time for a reminder that Jack Chick has said that the nucleus of every atom is held together by Jesus.

Wait, so... by that logic either:

Nuclear reactions are Satanic or are literally powered by Jesus. I don't know which option is more amusingly WTF.
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« Reply #136 on: August 22, 2014, 06:06:04 am »

While I was recently pondering not looking at the lower boards any more, this topic, I think, should be visited by my. Why, you ask? Well, my fellows, I'm probably somewhat one-of-a-kind here being not only Christian, but old school Vatican-obeying Nazi Roman Catholic. This one strike-through word should tell you all about what I think of Jack Chick, shouldn't it? But I'm rather well-versed in the information about my religion and I'm interested in answering question and maybe explaining some facts about Catholicism. Maybe even numerous facts.

For example, the whole sin discussion that was going on before seems to be from positions a little different than Catholic ones, so I will go ahead and explain how we see it (including homosexuality).

As has been stated before, and is true, the sin itself is acting against the will of God; generally speaking, it is an analogy to committing a crime. There are laws, and breaking them is a sin, just like breaking state laws is a crime. But this is 'technical' definition. The spiritual definition is that sin is weakening or severing your bond with God.
Sins, in general, are of two types: 'light' and 'heavy', with proper nomenclature being not that easy to look up (I'm not native English speaker), but in general I will use terms 'venial' for 'light' and 'mortal' for 'heavy' one, as those seem to be the consensus. Just don't cite me on that before checking for yourself.
For a sin to be mortal, it needs to satisfy three criteria:
1) It must be in a serious matter;
2) It must be committed with full knowledge;
3) It must be committed consensually.
This means that sins that are light of matter, committed without full knowledge and/or not wholly consensually are venial.
Mortal sins represent complete severing your bond with God; they need to be confessed during sacrament of penance, and the proper atonement is required. Venial sins may, but do not have to, be confessed, as they are generally let go at the beginning of the Holy Mass, where there is a special part just for the purpose of letting venial sins go.

Sin can be committed in four ways:
1) by speech,
2) by thought,
3) by act,
4) by lack of act.
Thought and speech sins are usually (but not always) venial, while sins committed by acting or not acting are more often mortal. Lack of act sins can be, for example, not helping a person who is in mortal danger, depending on the risks that would be involved for the person not helping.

Due to the nature of God's laws there is no exhaustive list of sins that one is able to commit; it is actually changing with the world, as some activities that appear are sinful, because they violate one of the laws.

Aaaaand here we come to the topic of homosexuality.
The trick here is: God has created sexuality as a way to both help humanity grow and to help strengthen the bond between husband and wife. Thus, sexual acts are considered good when done between husband and wife, and generally in a way that could lead to conception of a child. Thus, homosexual acts are sinful because they are neither; not only two men/two women cannot be husband and a wife, they also cannot go about sex in any way that could lead to conception. Also, while homosexual acts are sinful, being homosexual/bisexual is not, in itself, a sin; it just calls for the sexual abstinence, like other non-ordered sexual urges (which I will not enumerate here unless asked for, but you can surely come up with an idea or two).

Also, nuclear reaction being powered by Jesus sound badass. But I can not see any logic that would lead to a conclusion of them being satanic in nature?
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Re: Hell/Jack Chick/Bible/Christianity etc. Discussion thread
« Reply #137 on: August 22, 2014, 06:12:20 am »

That was an... Interesting read. Certainly cleared up a few things.
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Re: Hell/Jack Chick/Bible/Christianity etc. Discussion thread
« Reply #138 on: August 22, 2014, 06:18:33 am »

If that's true, does that mean my dirt can be used for communion?
Yes, but no-one wants to eat your dirt.
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Re: Hell/Jack Chick/Bible/Christianity etc. Discussion thread
« Reply #139 on: August 22, 2014, 07:05:16 am »

-stuff-

Also, nuclear reaction being powered by Jesus sound badass. But I can not see any logic that would lead to a conclusion of them being satanic in nature?

Well, since you are breaking the bonds during the fission, which, as we established, are Jesus, so you're breaking something Jesus made. For power.
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« Reply #140 on: August 22, 2014, 08:34:05 am »

-stuff-
Also, nuclear reaction being powered by Jesus sound badass. But I can not see any logic that would lead to a conclusion of them being satanic in nature?
Well, since you are breaking the bonds during the fission, which, as we established, are Jesus, so you're breaking something Jesus made. For power.

But on the other hand, there are now two nuclei where there was only one, and they are both made by Jesus (because, as we established, every nucleus is). Also, you have just released some of the Jesus' power into the world, which I would imagine being a good thing.
Also, I now understand your point of view better. I'm also trying to understand the author of the original statement; if he considers weak nuclear force a manifestation of God (which makes surprising amount of sense, if you think about it), it doesn't sound so outlandish.
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Re: Hell/Jack Chick/Bible/Christianity etc. Discussion thread
« Reply #141 on: August 22, 2014, 08:49:01 am »

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Also, nuclear reaction being powered by Jesus sound badass. But I can not see any logic that would lead to a conclusion of them being satanic in nature?
Well, since you are breaking the bonds during the fission, which, as we established, are Jesus, so you're breaking something Jesus made. For power.

But on the other hand, there are now two nuclei where there was only one, and they are both made by Jesus (because, as we established, every nucleus is). Also, you have just released some of the Jesus' power into the world, which I would imagine being a good thing.
Also, I now understand your point of view better. I'm also trying to understand the author of the original statement; if he considers weak nuclear force a manifestation of God (which makes surprising amount of sense, if you think about it), it doesn't sound so outlandish.
Hang on I'll get you the bit of the comic it comes from.

It's the one that is basically that one copypasta.
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Re: Hell/Jack Chick/Bible/Christianity etc. Discussion thread
« Reply #142 on: August 22, 2014, 10:03:30 am »

Almost like convincing someone in the Internet discussion. :P

Well, I probably don't know anything, y'know? Being Nazi Catholic and all. I can just tell you when the misinterpretation starts... Although I think the author did it so much better, even quoting Bible. I'm just saying, gluons are as much God's work as electrons, protons and all that stuff, y'know, the world and all? I don't see no reason to debunk them on the basis they have not been measured so far. Maybe there are gluons, maybe there is something else, I don't really know (I'm not that much into particle physics), but that comic is just like all the other Jack Chick comics; it makes no sense to me. But again: Nazi Catholic*.

*In Poland, the term 'cathofascist' is common among people with too much time to spend in the comments section of low-quality portals, which just makes the theory about Nazis being secret Catholic agenda all that much more hilarious.
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Re: Hell/Jack Chick/Bible/Christianity etc. Discussion thread
« Reply #143 on: August 22, 2014, 10:08:49 am »

Secret? Their belt buckles said "god is with us" and the pope got them to stop fighting for christmas.
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« Reply #144 on: August 22, 2014, 10:10:23 am »

The binding force of an atom is the strong force I believe.

Also that scientist is a total wimp. When has "I don't know" ever been the sign that you should just give up, go home, and just say God did everything?

It isn't like there wasn't a time in which protons were unseen and unmeasured.

I will never understand the sort of religious satisfaction people get, in the sense that "Well my god did it, why should I know more?", I mean... shouldn't that be all the reason to study it further so you can glimpse into the inner workings of your god and thus appreciate it more?

Honestly Jack Chick speaks as much for Catholics as PETA speaks for Vegans.
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« Reply #145 on: August 22, 2014, 10:11:06 am »

And the requirement to get accepted into SS was apostasy from Catholic Church, so I would say it was rather secret-ish.
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Re: Hell/Jack Chick/Bible/Christianity etc. Discussion thread
« Reply #146 on: August 22, 2014, 10:11:22 am »

Honestly, Nazis are the most plausible of the things Jack Chick blames the Catholic Church for.

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Re: Hell/Jack Chick/Bible/Christianity etc. Discussion thread
« Reply #147 on: August 22, 2014, 10:37:14 am »

-stuff-

Also, nuclear reaction being powered by Jesus sound badass. But I can not see any logic that would lead to a conclusion of them being satanic in nature?

Well, since you are breaking the bonds during the fission, which, as we established, are Jesus, so you're breaking something Jesus made. For power.

But if fission is satanic because it separates subatomic particles and therefore undoes God's work, what about fusion, which creates new atomic bonds? Would dropping an H-bomb be the case of literally bringing God's light to the heathens?

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Re: Hell/Jack Chick/Bible/Christianity etc. Discussion thread
« Reply #148 on: August 22, 2014, 10:38:36 am »

Or, would we be making our own divine energy, and rival God.
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« Reply #149 on: August 22, 2014, 10:43:39 am »

I'd say you are taking things too literally... but we are talking about Jack Chick here... We have to play by his rules.
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