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[TempAcc]

Well, actualy, according to some novels, ollanius pius lost his perpetual-ness after using the anathame to bitchslap vulkan's senses back into action so he could act when the end times comes, according to what the cabal predicted, but it seems that he isn't exactly dead just ye-*BLAM*

[LordPorkins]

Ollanius Pius has got to be the thing i hate Geedubs most for Retconning

[pisskop]

wasn't he 'just some guy' before, then suddenly immortal?


the issue is, as i see it, that they spend so much time talking about how fuck awful your average trooper is.
and how special sunny bright snowflakes the primarchs are to Ass-tart-ies.
and how single backhands from the 300 year old genebulked SM chaos murderer is.
and how daemons mjndfuck normal humies in. 0.6 seconds and have +6 magic sythes of diamond armor piercing.
and how just the Emp's slong of radiance can blind people, normal or not.


theres a real rigid hierarchy established.
even primarchs kneel on command to bige, and most are left blind and so stupified they can remember physical sensation from the experience that i wouldn't consider painful.

then average joeblow not only moves infront of e, not only faces down terror so plotscary that no humie has veable to act in its presence before, but then takes the hit that everyone above his station was too weak to?

they painted themselves into it wuth they fluffing of the hierarchy.  plus now they get more character story from it

[Grim Portent]

The original Ollanius worked when Horus was just some guy and he faced the Emperor in a bunker on Terra during a civil war with barely any details. It made sense that a human soldier would protect his emperor from a human general, no matter how empowered and corrupted, and back then the Emperor was meant to have stormed the bunker with guardsmen and marines.

When the primarchs became a thing and Chaos was fleshed out more that made way less sense. Horus' ship itself was corrupted enough to drive Space Marines insane and make normal humans heads explode into tentacles and teeth and start eating the nearest patch of drywall. Human Ollanius A) would have had no way to get on the ship with the Emperor's striketeam, since it was all Custodes and Astartes, and B) would have died near instantly, to the corruption, the daemons or the traitor marines on board.

[nenjin]

Bunker fight is a way more metal than starship fight.

[Kot]

A) would have had no way to get on the ship with the Emperor's striketeam, since it was all Custodes and Astartes, and B) would have died near instantly, to the corruption, the daemons or the traitor marines on board.

A)
ALL MEN MUST SERVE THE IMMORTAL GOD EMPEROR. GUARDSMEN ARE PROUD TO SERVE ALONGSIDE THE EMPERORS FINEST AND HELP THEM SMASH THE FOES OF HUMANITY.
B)
GUARDSMEN DO NOT YIELD TO RUINOUS POWERS OF WARP, ESPECIALLY IF THEY DON'T KNOW THAT'S A THING, GUARDSMEN TEAR THROUGH DEAMONS AND WEAKLING TRAITOR MARINES LIKE HOT LASER BEAM THROUGH BUTTER. EMPEROR PROTECTS, AFTER ALL.

[LordPorkins]

Yah, considering that Guardsmen Vs Daemon battles are a thing,i dont think that the Warp really can just one-shot peoples sanity. Remember, the main reason we hear so much about it is because the Ecclisiarchy doesnt want us to go into it. I mean, it has been made canon that Orks have survived in pockets in the Eye of Terror.

Oh,and the Ruinous Powers of the warp dont do shit unless you know about the ruinous powers of the warp. They also dont apply if you dont give a single shitabout your own insanity. Fear of your own insanity is like what puts the nail in the coffin for like 75% of Warp-Travelers.

Also, theres a LOT we just dont know about the warp. We've seen it obey/disobey so many of its own "laws" that its almost more like a person. It does what it wants.


Edit: Additionally, Guardsman win battles against marines all the time. ALSO if you are a guardsman in a battle, your the one least likely to be targeted. Who you gonna shoot, some regular joe or the 6/7/8/9/10/WhateverCurrentCodexSays figure of death?

[nenjin]

Sanity one shot is absolutely a thing.

[Neonivek]

Well the Warp is part of people's everyday lives... It would be nonsense for it to drive people instantly insane.. or even to do so automatically.

[Grim Portent]

And yet most humans die instantly upon meeting a Greater Daemon or Daemon Prince in the fluff, the mere aura of chaos it emits is enough to make them have convulsions and bleed into their own brain cavity or renders them catatonic.

Even most stalwart humans become physically ill around them, such as in the novel Storm of Iron and it's sequels, or the 40k Word Bearer's novels in which even Furies, the least of the true daemons, nearly rout a guard army just by being around because las-weapons barely hurt them if they hurt them at all. The ability to face down a Greater Daemon, or even a normal daemon, indicates a strength of will beyond that of most humans or aliens, and usually a level of weaponry far beyond that available to the average man as well.

Even in the RPGs most humans just drop dead when confronted by a daemon, they fail the Fear test and get corruption points, which they have no tolerance for and die. Average person dies or turns into a harmless spawn on 5 corruption points, which is not uncommon for Warp Shock, and anyone who isn't dead will probably be babbling hysterically, vomiting or fleeing depending on how badly they failed their Fear test.

[Neonivek]

Its the Warp it isn't demon town

Demon town is in the warp

[ArchAIngel]

Honestly, the point of Ollanius isn't that he's a reasonable point to use.


He's a legendary figure. An ideal, someone to look up to, to try and imitate.


Which is why I REALLY don't like him being a Perpetual.


His legend-concept is that of the mortal ideal. The MORTAL ideal. He's supposed to be this one guy, normal and bland and standard, who steps in between Horus and the Emperor. No Warp backing him up. No genetic enhancement pumping through his veins. No ancient artifacts granting him incredible power.


Just a man. Just a man who looked at a duel between what may as well be gods, and decided "Here I stand. I shall do no other."


He is nobody special. Ollanius Pius may as well mean John Doe, for all the myth cares.


And him being anything but a ordinary man undermines that legend.


Also, it's one of the few incidents where a mortal does something that even one of the Traitor Legions would look at and go "Yeah, you're a badass." Space Marines, Eldar, Orks, they all have their own grand feats, so rarely undermined.


Can the mere humans have this one thing, and keep it pure human? A tad meta, to be sure, but, well, humans hold the line across the galaxy. Ollanius is a way to show HOW they can do that. By just standing.


By dying. Standing.

[Andres]

The Imperium has Living Saints, Chaos has Greater Daemons, the Eldar have Avatars of Khaine, and Necrons have C'tan Shards. What Greater Daemon equivalent do Orks have?

[BorkBorkGoesTheCode]

Orks painted red.

[stabbymcstabstab]

I'm Guessing Warbosses since if they're alive long enough they tend to get primarch size and next to impossible to kill especially if the writer is using the whole, Orks can sticks fire bolter shells if they believe enough.