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[LordBaal]

So,if we manage to summon him do yoy think he'll eat SEGA's executives heads for pressing so much crap into creation? Although I think they can live for a few weeks without it, not that they use it that much.

[nenjin]

For some reason when I saw the DoW III screens my first gut reaction was also "Hrm, mobile." Dunno why, perhaps its the just the scale and positioning of the screenshots.

[Andres]

Also apparently the plot point of DoWIII is Ynnead.

Where did you hear this?

[stabbymcstabstab]

Also apparently the plot point of DoWIII is Ynnead.

Where did you hear this?

BLASHEMY! GW WOULD BEVER ADVANCE THE PLOT!

[Cthulhu]

They advanced the FB plot, all the way to Skubland.

I decided to reteach myself how to play with TTS.  Some of these rules seem weird and I feel like I must be misreading.  In the version I played I remember you having to distribute wounds across a unit, and each unique type of model had to have one wound before you could double up (so a tac squad would need one on a regular marine, one on captain, and one on heavy weapons before you could wound another tac) and in this one it seems like all the wounds just pile on the closest guy, then the next closest?

Is that how it actually works?

Also how is CSM in the new version?  I've heard it's Helldrakes as far as the eye can see, but I don't want to play Khorne so daemonkin are out. 

[Andres]

Also apparently the plot point of DoWIII is Ynnead.

Where did you hear this?

BLASHEMY! GW WOULD BEVER ADVANCE THE PLOT!

Perhaps not advance the plot, but rather expand and clarify on existing plot? So far the whole Ynnead thing is pretty much untouched as a concept in 40k. Fleshing it out a bit would add some impetus even if they don't actually advance it.

For example, say it's the beginning and you have Tyranids. They're planet-eating bugs from another galaxy. That's it. A few years later, it gets clarified that they're just the scouts of the greater Hive Fleet who want to eat the Astronomican. It's not advancing the plot, it's just fleshing out what's already there and setting up future events even if those future events are never covered.

[nenjin]

"Fleshing out" in 40k can sometimes have the unintended consequence of making things less cool though. (See: The Primarchs and several examples of when the Emperor has actually opened his gob and spoken.)

I think that's the line 40k has always treaded, is that its mythology is awesome and possibly more awesome than anything that can or would happen now. To me the historical setting has always been 40k's strongest point, not its pivotal moments. This is especially true for Fantasy, and after the Age of Sigmar I am in zero hurry to see what an advanced plotline for 40k looks like. Unless it's the Black Crusade getting shit done and years of debauched, warp-infused fiction I ain't really interested. There doesn't seem to be anywhere go with most of the other villainous races and practically all roads lead to the final death of the Emperor and of the Imperium. Crons, Tyrannids, Orks, they can't really carry the universe anywhere post-Imperium because they're so one note. In the Tau there is something to work with, but, you know, fuck the Tau. Chaos is really the only faction with enough personality and appeal to potentially carry the weight of the future IMO.

And as for the "elder gods" of the 40k universe, they're so ill-defined that unleashing them on the galaxy would effectively be like writing a new, major race into existence. As I've said before 40k is so defined by the Imperium these days that I'm not sure the setting has a cohesive identity without it. That's my bias showing, clearly. But let's be honest: 40k is about the human race first and foremost. I wouldn't put it past GWS to make the next iteration of 40k be "humanity is now all space refugees" and it's Old Night all over again. Whatever happens though, I think humanity has to be at the center of it. Humanity in 40k is the emulsion in which all the great xenos races are suspended and what helps pull the universe together thematically.

[Rolepgeek]

No, that's not bias. Imperium and Chaos are the only two truly essential races to 40k. All else is bonus. The best/most interesting parts of the Tau, for instance(btw Tau are great fuck you corpse worshipper(:p)) are basically all comparison to Imperium in one way or another, or reminders of things about it. The genuinely original stuff is fairly sparse, and usually not well enough fleshed out to truly sink your teeth into.

I can see Eldar/Chaos/Imperium/Necrons as carrying a decent plotline if they advanced it. Like, focus would be on them. Orks are subplots/jokes, Tyranids are literally made of plot-engine anyway, Tau are subsubplots, Dark Eldar are [sub*1.5]plots, Mechanicus and Sororitas are subplots at best....probably Space Marines in particular, as usual. Just fits that sorta thing. But yeah, I can see genuine possibility for good story, both narratively and battles-wise, with those four as the focus. They're the ones that can really significantly impact the setting while having interesting characters and interactions. Chaos, Necrons, and Eldar are all enemies, Imperium hate Chaos significantly more than Craftworld Eldar, and somewhat more than Necrons, so...

[Andres]

Mechanicus and Sororitas are subplots at best....

I disagree on both these points. I think the Mechanicus would be a subplot at least while the Sororitas are a subplot not at all. Let me start with the latter first.

The Sororitas have no plot power. They're nuns with guns that have no mystery or grand story to tell. They're purely fire support for the Imperium and would have about the same amount of plot centricism as the Imperial Navy.

The Mechanicus, on the other hand, are fairly important. They're the guys who would be linked to Golden Throne repair parts, Dark Age superweapons, and the Akashic Reader.

[Cheesecake]

But the nuns with guns are the Sisters of Battle, not the Sororitas as a whole. As far as I know, the rest of the Sororitas are like actual nuns, who go around building Scholas, spreading faith, etc. A cool plot for them, in my opinion, would be a Joan of Arc-ish story.

Some peasant girl from a feudal world gets visions and messages from the Emperor (or not...) and rises through the ranks and becomes a Canoness or something. Then, after a game's worth of misadventure and witch-burning, she stumbles upon the truth about the Emperor not being a god and all, and has to either:

Accept it out of loyalty to the Emperor, tearing down the Ecclesiarchy and shattering the faith of trillions of people (whose faith may or may not be empowering the emperor).

Deny it out of loyalty to the faithful, letting them sleep peacefully at night, maintaining some semblance of unity throughout millions of worlds. However, the Imperium stays the overzealous, intolerant cesspool it is.

The Imperium might have been previously united because the Emperor was alive, who was gigantic and golden and invincible. But that won't work now that their glorious leader is a skeleton hooked up to life-support.

So, 40kJean's choice is to serve either the real corpse, or a man-made god.

Unrelated, but I wanted to know: If the Imperium is so reliant on the Astronomican, which is on Terra 'cause the Emperor is there, how did they Warp travel when the Emperor was alive and well (thus moving around a lot)?

[Loud Whispers]

Mechanicus > Everyone else
They got all the plot, they're just hoarding it on Mars

[MetalSlimeHunt]

So, 40kJean's choice is to serve either the real corpse, or a man-made god.

Text To Speech Device did it first with Decius, and better for that matter.

Unrelated, but I wanted to know: If the Imperium is so reliant on the Astronomican, which is on Terra 'cause the Emperor is there, how did they Warp travel when the Emperor was alive and well (thus moving around a lot)?

It's sort of unclear, but it appears that in life Emps was just so powerful he could both power and direct the Astronomican from half a galaxy away.

[Tack]

Unrelated, but I wanted to know: If the Imperium is so reliant on the Astronomican, which is on Terra 'cause the Emperor is there, how did they Warp travel when the Emperor was alive and well (thus moving around a lot)?

I have a half-answer for you courtesy of my FLGSM- the warp was apparently dead calm immediately after the birth of slaanesh- which apparently happened right at the beginning of the great crusade.
So depending on how long it took for the fuckery and nonsense to happen, the whole crusade and heresy might've happened during that period.
Which Emps probably knew was temporary so started building the astronomicon into the throne, because he's clearly more clairvoyant than a farseer-daemon-prince-of-Tzeentch.


Or can only "humans" become daemons?

[Loud Whispers]

Also the Adeptus Mechanicus created a device which was essentially a warp weather forecast telling them when the warp was not full of storms, allowing them to travel through whilst everyone was getting invaded by Slaanesh

Further proof that Adeptus Mechanicus > Everyone Else

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Nonhumans can become daemons, but it's exceedingly rare as the other major candidates are all out. Slaanesh keeps all of hir Eldar safely stored in the Sea of Dicks, and the few Eldar who go to other gods have to also stay hidden because nothing really deters Slaanesh. Orks are immune to chaos by design, Necrons have no souls, Tyranid daemons only exist in All Guardsmen Party, and while Tau probably could do it they'd have to do exponentially greater work to attain daemonhood.

Only minor xenos are really eligible, like the Yu'Vath, who were so thoroughly corrupted their leaders were their daemons.