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[spazyak]

SECRET DARKNESS belongs to the Dark Angels, IMO.
But they're too ruthless to be truly emo, so I don't think they're on the list.

They're the spanish inquisition...I guess

[Tack]

I seem to recall them being present for that one time a Black Templar strike cruiser accidentally ran afoul of "Ork Snipers" and was never heard from again.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

I have to disagree; the Dark Angels are worse.

-Named Dark Angels

-Corvus was a loony-bin paranoid fucker who committed mass terrorism second only to Curze (who is really more Punisher than Batman)

-Literally Edgar Allen Poe

-Spend all their time disregarding the mission to go hunt down the ACCURSED TRAITORS so that they can torture them to death in the name of hiding the fact that both they and probably Corvus fell to chaos JUSTICE

-One of their famous character's shtick is that he literally hates fun and think it has no place in the DARK ANGELS.

The Blood Angels have some redeeming features to them. Though tragic, they like Sanguinius before them are compassionate and closest to an all-encompassing sense of humanity than anyone save the Salamanders. When not being traumatized space vampires they're among the best chapters when interacting with normal humans. You can't really be emo when you're the physical and psychological progenitor of a man who was thought of as the Emperor's second, someone who Pre-Heresy Horus thought deserved to be Warmaster, Rowboat thought should be Emperor-Regent if Terra had fell, and Post-Heresy Horus both regretted not being able to turn and didn't even try, so convinced was he of Sanguinius's quintessential goodness.

[spazyak]

I have to disagree; the Dark Angels are worse.

-Named Dark Angels

-Corvus was a loony-bin paranoid fucker who committed mass terrorism second only to Curze (who is really more Punisher than Batman)

-Literally Edgar Allen Poe

-Spend all their time disregarding the mission to go hunt down the ACCURSED TRAITORS so that they can torture them to death in the name of hiding the fact that both they and probably Corvus fell to chaos JUSTICE

-One of their famous character's shtick is that he literally hates fun and think it has no place in the DARK ANGELS.

The Blood Angels have some redeeming features to them. Though tragic, they like Sanguinius before them are compassionate and closest to an all-encompassing sense of humanity than anyone save the Salamanders. When not being traumatized space vampires they're among the best chapters when interacting with normal humans. You can't really be emo when you're the physical and psychological progenitor of a man who was thought of as the Emperor's second, someone who Pre-Heresy Horus thought deserved to be Warmaster, Rowboat thought should be Emperor-Regent if Terra had fell, and Post-Heresy Horus both regretted not being able to turn and didn't even try, so convinced was he of Sanguinius's quintessential goodness.

Dark angels are not corvus, they're Lion 'el Johnson

[MetalSlimeHunt]

See, this is why I hate the fucking Dark Angels. They're so terrible I mentally overwrote their Primarch with the Raven Guard's, a chapter that is better and never talked about.

[spazyak]

See, this is why I hate the fucking Dark Angels. They're so terrible I mentally overwrote their Primarch with the Raven Guard's, a chapter that is better and never talked about.

m
Mhm. I only use them in table top for the death strike round one deep strike.

[nenjin]

So uhm, a 3rd person 40k action game based blow for blow on Abnett's Xenos. How the fuck did I only hear about this now?

TB however doesn't seem that optimistic about it. It was originally planned as a mobile game but is now going to be on PC first. A quick look at some of the gameplay definitely shows signs of typical mobile game play: QTEs, button mashing, etc...

Also Eisenhorn is sporting a tie which looks bloody ridiculous.

[Urist McScoopbeard]

Holy shit! "Young" Eisenhorn looks fucking hilarious!

[Tack]

See, this is why I hate the fucking Dark Angels. They're so terrible I mentally overwrote their Primarch with the Raven Guard's, a chapter that is better and never talked about.

m
Mhm. I only use them in table top for the death strike round one deep strike.

IIRC anyone can do that now that the new supplement is out.

[spazyak]

See, this is why I hate the fucking Dark Angels. They're so terrible I mentally overwrote their Primarch with the Raven Guard's, a chapter that is better and never talked about.

m
Mhm. I only use them in table top for the death strike round one deep strike.

IIRC anyone can do that now that the new supplement is out.

OOoohhh.

[Tack]

Only realised Raven Guard have got a huge reliance on scouts, too.
Which I guess isn't so bad considering they get stealth and shrouded. You've gotta find Something which'll invalidate your 4+ armour.

[spazyak]

how good are Basilisks?

[LordBaal]

The artillery? They are supposedly this marvelous piece of equipment that is suppa powerful, in the lore at least, in TT I know they do have crazy a range... in reality modern armies around the world have better pieces of mobile artillery, with more range at least.

[spazyak]

The artillery? They are supposedly this marvelous piece of equipment that is suppa powerful, in the lore at least, in TT I know they do have crazy a range... in reality modern armies around the world have better pieces of mobile artillery, with more range at least.

eh, might get 1 or two then just to barrage heavy armor and such.

[Tack]

Guessing you mean on the table, in which case, they're average. Minimum range of 36", but you can ignore that if you have LoS.
The S9 AP3 large blasts are pretty cool... I... Eh.

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Basilisk: Jokingly called the penis-enlargement gun by veteran Guard Players, the Basilisk is noted for having a really big gun. This gun is also known for being long-ranged, having the option for direct or indirect fire, and having AP 3 (meaning it can kill Marines in the open, or pummel Crisis Suits). However, having the worst minimum-range requirements has the potential to often relegate the Basilisk as a direct-fire weapon, a task the Medusa tends to do better in most cases for a marginal upgrade in cost; this said, the Basilisk's direct-fire does have a longer range than the Medusa. Unless it's apocalypse, you don't need more than 36" though, so get a Medusa, or a Leman Russ Battle Tank, which can do the same or even better job, considering that either way, you are dropping S8 AP3 Big Blast at the enemy within '72 at most. Now in new codex earthshaker cannon has a range of 36-240" enabling you to hit kids at the next table.

    Tactical Note: Like many Guard heavy support units, the Basilisk needs support to really shine. Give it twin-linking with a Primaris Psyker (or the Emperor's Wrath formation, see below) and Ignore Cover from the same and suddenly it's the most dangerous unit on the field, able to delete entire squads of anything that's not TEQ/MC. 3 of these with an ML2 psyker is the same price as the Leman Russ squadron you'd get otherwise, and you get better strength and two powers from the Divination table.

If you're taking them as allies, you're better off taking a:

Emperor's Wrath Artillery Company: 1 CCS in a Chimera or Taurox commanding 2 chosen artilley units (Basilisk, Hydra, Wyvern) and 1 unit of either Manticores or Deathstrikes, and supported by 1-3 Enginseers. The CCS can issue "Smite at Will", "Suppressive Fire" and "Fire on my target" to the vehicles of the formation (they count as Ld8). Furthermore, the formation gains Twin-linked against an enemy unit spotted (in line of sight, within 18") by a friendly unit with a Vox caster. This is one of the best formations in the whole book. Twin-linked Ignores cover Basilisks, anyone? Maybe Jink ignoring Hydras if you're going against a flyer-heavy list, but meh, bring moar Basilisks.

    Alternate Take: Your CCS can only issue two orders, so a good setup for this formation might be a squadron of wyverns and a squadron of basilisks. The basilisks and the manticore get orders and twin-linking, while the wyverns happily beat everything they see into dust without the need for support. Or you can order them to have pinning. Because that's totally better than a twin-linked, cover-ignoring manticore.