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Author Topic: WH40K discussion thread: from Tyran's heart I stab at thee.  (Read 1023771 times)

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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion thread: Disorder Vacuum Seamen.
« Reply #3540 on: April 02, 2016, 06:44:47 pm »

From what I remember, unfortunately Avatars of Khaine fall prey to the Worf Effect quite a lot in fiction.
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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion thread: Disorder Vacuum Seamen.
« Reply #3541 on: April 02, 2016, 06:46:20 pm »

From what I remember, unfortunately Avatars of Khaine fall prey to the Worf Effect quite a lot in fiction.
To be fair, basically everything gets Worfed and counter-Worfed until you get Rock-Paper-Scissors-God-AntiGodSpray-NoIWin-NoMe power comparisons.
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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion thread: Disorder Vacuum Seamen.
« Reply #3542 on: April 02, 2016, 06:49:15 pm »

Eventually a legless Ultramarine with nothing but a rusty fork will defeat a Demon Primarch possessed Imperator Titan and the worf effect will be so strong the entire setting will collapse into a black hole.
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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion thread: Disorder Vacuum Seamen.
« Reply #3543 on: April 02, 2016, 07:26:41 pm »

Eventually a legless Ultramarine with nothing but a rusty fork will defeat a Demon Primarch possessed Imperator Titan and the worf effect will be so strong the entire setting will collapse into a black hole except for the lone Ultramarine who crawls out of the black hole with nothing but his sheer EmprahLove
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« Reply #3544 on: April 02, 2016, 07:35:33 pm »

So far I think the worst example of the Worf Effect in 40k was when Hector Rex defeated An'ggrath. Based on their stats it's basically impossible, and based on their fluff it should still be impossible.

For context Rex is a human Inquisitor and An'ggrath is the most powerful bloodthirster ever summoned into reality.
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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion thread: Disorder Vacuum Seamen.
« Reply #3545 on: April 02, 2016, 09:10:46 pm »

Nightbringer was fun as all hell, just running around gobbling units like it aint no business

Very cost effective in the pounds to points ratio too

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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion thread: Disorder Vacuum Seamen.
« Reply #3546 on: April 02, 2016, 09:13:31 pm »

So far I think the worst example of the Worf Effect in 40k was when Hector Rex defeated An'ggrath. Based on their stats it's basically impossible, and based on their fluff it should still be impossible.

For context Rex is a human Inquisitor and An'ggrath is the most powerful bloodthirster ever summoned into reality.
Yeah, that had to have been some sort of Tzneetchian trick or some shit. An'ggrath (his name is literally a garbled 'anger-wrath') is basically the closest thing Khorne has to a faction leader. Shouldn't be punked by some random inquisitor.
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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion thread: Disorder Vacuum Seamen.
« Reply #3547 on: April 02, 2016, 09:22:52 pm »

How come there's so many commissar heroes? Cain, Gaunt, and Yarrick are some examples. Are commissar hats secretly imbued with the divine will of the Emperor?
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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion thread: Disorder Vacuum Seamen.
« Reply #3548 on: April 02, 2016, 10:12:19 pm »

How come there's so many commissar heroes? Cain, Gaunt, and Yarrick are some examples. Are commissar hats secretly imbued with the divine will of the Emperor?

All the others in the squad end up Blam'd at some point?

Or maybe its imperium propaganda
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« Reply #3549 on: April 02, 2016, 10:19:08 pm »

How come there's so many commissar heroes? Cain, Gaunt, and Yarrick are some examples. Are commissar hats secretly imbued with the divine will of the Emperor?
Because they can get shit done, unlike everyone else who has to answer to commissars, unless they're a Space Marine or Battle Sister?

And no one ever writes Battle Sisters presumably because I don't even know if GW has any female authors on staff, and the male authors either don't want to fuck it up and be treated as the next Ward/set a poor tone, have no idea how they'd write such characters satisfactorily enough, or because they just don't like the Adeptus Sororitas.
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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion thread: Disorder Vacuum Seamen.
« Reply #3550 on: April 02, 2016, 10:35:07 pm »

Comissars are often considered heroes because they're just normal humans that are trained to be huge badasses and to do absurd things in absurd situations. This prob means the great majority of them die horribly, but any of them that survive for years of service prob end up being considered heroes just because of all the ridiculous situations they're always faced with. Not only do they have to keep entire regiments in line with sheer intimidation and ocasional BLAMS, but they also fight in the front lines alongside the regiments, often armed with only a bolter pistol, a chainsword and a scowl.

Now, space marines are all superhuman already, so performing at a superhuman level is expected of them. In order to be recognized as a hero among space marines, a spess mehreen needs to do things such as going toe to toe with daemons, beating the shit out of pre-heresy trair marines which are prob way more experienced and scarier then normal loyalists, etc.

Sisters of battle, while not explored upon as much as the other segments of mankind, are also pretty badass, considering they're just normal women gone through a hellish training regimen, equipped with special power armor and weapons, and some of them can even essentialy ascend into a new immortal stage of existence by chanelling the emprah's soul.
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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion thread: Disorder Vacuum Seamen.
« Reply #3551 on: April 02, 2016, 11:38:50 pm »

They're Political officers. Every victory is advertised.

Also those three commissars are the only ones (besides commisar-colonel Greiss) to hold a command position.
Which is technically against the rules.
Therefore big damn heroes
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« Reply #3552 on: April 03, 2016, 05:03:29 am »

And no one ever writes Battle Sisters presumably because I don't even know if GW has any female authors on staff, and the male authors either don't want to fuck it up and be treated as the next Ward/set a poor tone, have no idea how they'd write such characters satisfactorily enough, or because they just don't like the Adeptus Sororitas.

There's at least one Sister of Battle novel, Faith and Fire. It's... an interesting read. Over all I'd say it's worth reading, but it's quite short. I think it might have sequels, but I've never really gone looking for any.
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« Reply #3553 on: April 03, 2016, 08:06:28 am »

It does have a sequel, Hammer and Anvil, and an audiobook prequel, Red and Black.

There's also the Daemonifuge series of comics about the SoB.
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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion thread: Disorder Vacuum Seamen.
« Reply #3554 on: April 03, 2016, 08:17:50 am »

Also those three commissars are the only ones (besides commisar-colonel Greiss) to hold a command position.
You forgot about COMMISSAR Holt. There's also COMMISSAR LORD Bernn, though he doesn't do much in Retribution.
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