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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion thread: Disorder Vacuum Seamen.
« Reply #3465 on: March 25, 2016, 04:49:41 am »


Promethium is used to make nutrient paste? How would you eat fucking oil, really?


Promethium cover all kind of hydrocarbons. With a bit of chemical engineering, it'snot impossible to manufacture sugars and proteins from those.
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« Reply #3466 on: March 25, 2016, 07:39:13 am »

Is having mechadendrites while not being in mechanicus techheretical?
Afaik having mechadendrites relies on a bunch of extra cybernetic integration which only really the Mechanicus knows how to do.
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« Reply #3467 on: March 25, 2016, 08:36:47 am »

How aerial combat in grim darkness of future looks?
Is having mechadendrites while not being in mechanicus techheretical?
Why would planetary governor even need geneseed, is it of any use to anyone except astartes/ chaos?
Promethium is used to make nutrient paste? How would you eat fucking oil, really?
Why salamanders did not use phospex?

Aerial combat varies depending on what factions are fighting. Imperial aircraft tend to be VTOL craft with limited mobility but armour that rivals battletanks, Eldar aircraft are supersonic but fragile, Ork ones are ramshackle and unpredictable like their ground vehicles, Chaos and Tyranids use lots of flying creatures that fight in a manner more akin to dragons than anything else.

Mechadendrites are powered by a set of complex augmetics grafted to the spine and torso cavity of tech priests called the Potentia Coil. They are one of the sacred augmetics restricted to tech priests. By extension only ordained members of the Mechanicus can have mechadendrites. Having a mechadendrite is not in itself heretical, but it is a sign that you have consorted with rogue tech priests to have it grafted to you since no member of the Mechanicus would give someone a Potentia Coil.

Planetary Governors don't have any use for geneseed. It requires rare knowledge to cultivate the organs implanted into marines from it and such knowledge is possessed by few outside the forces of Chaos or the Mechanicus. Some Chaos factions do eat it as a delicacy though, so some particularly decadent governors may do so as well. Being found in possession of geneseed would probably be justification for summary execution though.

As mentioned by Sheb promethium is a generic term for a wide variety of hydrocarbon compounds. Some are similar to crude oil, others are more like vegetable oil, some are napalm and some are space magic chemicals. Like modern uses for oil it can be synthesized into a lot of things, like plastics.

Phosphex is restricted technology and is borderline heretical. The Space Marine Legions used it in the Great Crusade and even then considered it a monstrous weapon. I don't have the Horus Heresy rulebooks so I don't know much about it, but it was considered one of the most destructive and cruel weapons available to the Legions. After the Horus Heresy and it's use of various weapons of mass destruction the Imperium forbid the use of many of the darker and more destructive technologies of the time for fear that they would lead more marines down the dark path of the Traitor Legions.
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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion thread: Disorder Vacuum Seamen.
« Reply #3468 on: March 26, 2016, 03:08:26 pm »

Aerial combat varies depending on what factions are fighting. Imperial aircraft tend to be VTOL craft with limited mobility but armour that rivals battletanks, Eldar aircraft are supersonic but fragile, Ork ones are ramshackle and unpredictable like their ground vehicles, Chaos and Tyranids use lots of flying creatures that fight in a manner more akin to dragons than anything else.
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Orks are basically Late WWI biplanes.
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« Reply #3469 on: March 26, 2016, 03:48:28 pm »

Orks are basically Late WWI biplanes.
Orks can be everything, though they like loud and big jets with huge amount of guns and sometimes they get so fixated on the target they ram straight into it.
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« Reply #3470 on: March 26, 2016, 03:50:36 pm »

IIRC one of their plane types is literally a giant gun with wings and an engine bolted on.
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« Reply #3471 on: March 26, 2016, 03:59:34 pm »

A-10.
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« Reply #3472 on: March 27, 2016, 02:22:47 am »

Wow, imperial navy has manual gun loading and uses ramming.
I am surprised they dont use space oars.
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« Reply #3473 on: March 27, 2016, 02:58:08 am »

Wow, imperial navy has manual gun loading and uses ramming.
I am surprised they dont use space oars.

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« Reply #3474 on: March 27, 2016, 05:25:02 am »

Wow, imperial navy has manual gun loading and uses ramming.
I am surprised they dont use space oars.
The ramming actually makes a certain amount of tactical sense. Unlike real life, void shields exist which prevents ships from taking damage and thus allows them to get close without dying. After that, it's several kilometres worth of warship slamming into its target heavily-armoured prow-first.

Manual gun loading is because autoloaders are a lot more mechanically complex and skilled workers in the Imperium are a whole crap-load rarer than the dumb muscle used to crew manual loaders. It's ultimately less upkeep for ships that are meant to be in service for anywhere between decades to millennia.
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« Reply #3475 on: March 27, 2016, 05:51:44 am »

Ramming makes sense if you consider how Imperial ships are built. The whole front is usually ridiculously armoured and designed specifically for the task of ramming, so if you drive that part into any other, relatively squishy (the pretty thin gun decks, very important bridge and crew quaters with lots of widows or easily fuck-up-able beyond saving engines) you're going to fuck up that part beyond recognition with relatively small damage on your side.

As for the lack of autoloaders - the thing comes from the 2nd Edition, also known as the most grimderper of all grimdarks. Parts of the Imperium actually utilize autoloaders, because Mechanicus have the know-how and ways of production, so if you (Inqusition, some high ranking Navy Officers, so on) somehow convince them to mount some on your ship (which sometimes leads to Rogue Traders having way better ships than Imperial Navy, oh well) then you're set.
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« Reply #3476 on: March 27, 2016, 07:33:00 am »

Autoloaders are expensive, lives are cheap.
An autoloader can't put out a fire, fight off borders, breed more autoloaders. An autoloader needs a techpriest around to maintain and repair it. Oh, it's jammed? Better burn that incense and pray. Your crewmembers being awkward? Just flog them a bit.

Obviously, I'm not saying an autoloader wouldn't be better, but there's a reason a lot of modern tanks don't use autoloaders.
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« Reply #3477 on: March 27, 2016, 07:58:07 am »

Obviously, I'm not saying an autoloader wouldn't be better, but there's a reason a lot of modern tanks don't use autoloaders.
Modern tank shell weights ~20kgs. Wh40k spesship shell weights like 40000 fucking tons or more. There's a reason big navy guns use autoloader.
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« Reply #3478 on: March 27, 2016, 09:38:30 am »

Was reading the Grey Knights omnibus in which there's fleet combat, and they specifically say 'The Imperial fleet considers ramming to be a suicide course'.
Then again, Ben Counter don't know jack.
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« Reply #3479 on: March 27, 2016, 10:56:36 am »

Imperial Torpedoes are pretty heavily armored, right, to get past turrets?
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