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[Urist McScoopbeard]

Just read the Eiesenhorn trilogy in an astounding 6 days. Wow. Fuckin' loved it. A hearty recommendation for the works of Dabnett

[Tack]

A hearty recommendation for the works of Dabnett

Sugar-Dan is everyone's man.
He's probably the best-loved black library writer (and also the first).

[nenjin]

TBH the more I've re-read the Eisenhorn Trilogy the less I'm in love with it. True it's a good detective story and nobody delivers on the awesomeness of 40k tech like Dan does. I always sorta lose the thread around the middle of the second book though. The info diving gets to be a little much. It amps up further in Ravenor (a series which, again, demonstrates how well Abnett can make 40k tech stupidly cool.) When I ran Dark Heresy I tried to model it on an Eisenhorn-type investigation story but found that detective work is a lot less interesting in table top than in a novel (or at least the skill it takes to make an interesting detective story work in a table top game is very high.)

Also I dislike how much emphasis he gives to Patience Kys. He liked her so much as a character he eventually gave her a spin off novel after Ravenor. I never really bought into her badass-itude like I did Swole or Nayl or even Fischig. Or even Bequin.

That said I was at the book store the other day and saw a Space Marine novel called "I Am Slaughter." I was going to pass on it before I saw it was one of Mr. Abnett's and promptly snatched it up.

[Akura]

Wait, the captain prays to the Emperor? Isn't the captain an Eldar?

They know how it is.

Praying for forgiveness for being a xeno. Only the Emperor knows if they can ever receive it.

Being a xeno is one thing the Emperor never forgives.

[SquatchHammer]

DIGGANOBZ!!!

[Rolepgeek]

Wait, the captain prays to the Emperor? Isn't the captain an Eldar?

They know how it is.

Praying for forgiveness for being a xeno. Only the Emperor knows if they can ever receive it.

Being a xeno is one thing the Emperor never forgives.

I thought it was being a traitorous heretic.

A xenos can be made useful while it yet lives. A heretic is worth less than the dirt beneath it's feet, save as a means to find others.

[Egan_BW]

A xenos has the same value as a heretic, or any other human.
Good to fight, and full of blood!

[Tack]

I dunno. I feel like the Emprah has only ever seen one person as beyond forgiveness.
That being Horus. That being after Horus killed him.
At which point he quantum'd him out of existence.

His position on Xenos was pretty firm though.

[Akura]

...It was a quote from Dawn of War II.

[Cheesecake]

I dunno. I feel like the Emprah has only ever seen one person as beyond forgiveness.
That being Horus. That being after Horus killed him.
At which point he quantum'd him out of existence.

His position on Xenos was pretty firm though.

Well, if all our neighbors were high-and-mighty jerks, warmongers, space bugs that don't know what a diet is, and misanthropic terminators, I'd say his position is justified.

But didn't Horus come back to his senses at the last moment?

[Kot]

But didn't Horus come back to his senses at the last moment?

Kind of... I think it went that way that Horus was somehow possesed by the Chaos Gods, and they ran away split second before Horus got deleted. I suppose he didin't even realize what was going on.

Though, the whole scene is really... questionable in terms of what canon is canon, as it gets changed all the fucking time. (OLLANIUS PIUS NEVER 4GET)

[Urist McScoopbeard]

Well, if all our neighbors were high-and-mighty jerks, warmongers, space bugs that don't know what a diet is, and misanthropic terminators, I'd say his position is justified.

Plenty of people--including space marines--were disturbed and angry at the mistreatment or annihilation of many genial and cooperative alien species during the great crusade.

[Kot]

And you can blame at least half of it on Chaos slowly taking over Space Marine legions.

[Grim Portent]

The important thing to remember about xenos is that when mankind's original empire collapsed the vast majority of aliens took it as a chance to prey upon humanity. Some veiled themselves as saviors and friends, only to ultimately betray those who trusted them, others came as conquerors, others came as predators. The first was by far the most dangerous in the Emperor's eyes. Aliens in 40k cannot be trusted, for they are too strange and different to ever truly hold humans as equals, they are either better than man or it's inferior.

Even the Eldar, who are the most similar to mankind of all xenos, find the very way we breathe enough of an offense to their senses that it would justify our extinction to them. To more unusual aliens like the Loxatl, Rak'Gol or the Slaugh we exist solely to be fed upon, wiped out or sacrificed to the fell powers of the Warp.

[Kot]

If you aren't murdering everything else in Wh40k, you are proably murdered already or are going to be murdered soon. This is how it works.