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[nenjin]

I still think 40k is pretty cool, but I'm always perturbed by the way it takes over people's brains.  Somebody starts playing 40k and suddenly that's all they can talk about.  All they can talk about.  Period.

Yeah, it does tend to promote obsession.

I think I like all the different table top games, thematically anyways. The rules...not so much. But I'm doing a re-write of sorts of Rogue Trader, and I'm hoping to run it sometime this year or the next.

[Remuthra]

I still think 40k is pretty cool, but I'm always perturbed by the way it takes over people's brains.  Somebody starts playing 40k and suddenly that's all they can talk about.  All they can talk about.  Period.

Sarmatian battle tactics, anyone?

[Radio Controlled]

My take on how they could advance the storyline for the coming future (just some random thoughts I just came up with):

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Basically, they should finally come through with their promises about bad shit happening, and just let it happen. To prevent any one race of winning, let the aliens fight each other for a change. This way we can have them show their full might while not letting them just win outright.

For example, Nids arrive in force. And with 'in force' I mean they just plow through realspace like a hot knife through butter. However, the Silent king finishes gathering his people and starts using the full force of awakened necrons to try and contain the nids, by destroying planets (to deny them their food source) and using their full might and advanced weapons to contain the nids. This becomes a big central conflict; necrons trying to prevent nids from gaining critical mass, them trying to break out of this blockade problems compounded by other races' influence.

Secondly, The expansion of the Eye due to increased Chaos powers can be used as an excuse why orks get drawn to this portion of space, giving a big WHAAAGH that fully hits it. Cue biggest whaagh yet, right into the Eye.

Sounds good, with only one issue - What he hell are the Imperium, Tau, and Eldar doing during this time? You've given all the "Bad Races" eachother to fight, so what happens to the races that occasionally team up?

I could swear I typed that. Forum must've eated it. Will repost later, kay?


EDIT: here you go:

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Dark Eldar, due to the Eye growing, feel Slaanesh clawing at their soul with increased ferocity, so they're forced to increase their raids to keep up. This creates instability in Commorragh, because there is just not enough souls to keep protecting all dark eldar, creating strife within.
At the same time, they recognise they need to help defend against orks/chaos and Nids/necron. Because orks, necron, nids and chaos are horrible subjects for soul torture, they really need humans, tau and Eldar to survive as a species.


For the Imperium... you know how now it's always 'they're at the brink of Armageddon'? Well, I say go for it. Let them take a major blow. Due to increased power of all the xeno and chaos forces, they just cannot hold everything anymore. And so, they're forced to make a terrible decision: they abandon a lot of their worlds so they can afford to concentrate on their core worlds (forge worlds, agriworlds and such). A lot of them look towards Tau or Eldar for protection, some form small independent empires. But a whole lot more just burn, falling to the maws of ravenous aliens or insane heretical cults. This rakes a deep scar in the psyche of humanity, feeling like they betrayed their own, feeling like they utterly failed their brothers and sisters, and realize just how far they've fallen from the Emperors ideal.

However, as they keep losing ground and are faced with total defeat, this forces them to finally evolve as a society, getting over a lot of their xeno- and technofobia, out of sheer necessity. Adapt or perish, y'know. And then something happens that gives them new hope, like a primarch returning. But they can't just reconquer the universe because of three reasons:
-Nids/necron war. Shit is really going down there, and so they're forced to 'help' the necron to try and contain the Great Devourer. But the necron themselves don't ally with them because they just see imperium/tau/eldar as potential biomass for the nids.
-in the Eye, things are getting worse every day. Just wave after wave of increasingly powerful orks into the grinder, with Chaos getting a big foothold in realspace (maybe by destroying the Cadia pillar things).
-a lot of former imperium worlds that survived accuse them of having abandoned them in their time of need. What will the new imperium do? Fall to their old ways and conquer them, or leave them be? This could be a very interesting avenue to explore in stories (stories like 'the last church' prove you can do this in the 40K universe), seeing how they deal with this as a culture, how they deal with the still fresh scars.


Tau keep advancing in tech, start getting a real empire going, and absorb a big deal of the worlds and people that the Imperium was forced to abandon. However, they also start getting problems (which prevents them from conquering everything):
-imperial overstretch, and protecting/keeping order in such a big empire. Lack of warp travel really plays into this.
-Increased Chaos influence leading to bigger cult activity. They'll be forced to either loose worlds to daemons everywhere, or start adapting some methods of the old imperium. Oh, and Tau realize they have no soul, have identity crisis 
-Maybe tied into previous, they have an internal schism. Not all out war, but cracks start showing in the 'perfect' tau society. Maybe a bunch of Ethereals are having a dispute or something. Either way, this leads to a sort of 'shadow war' within the tau, giving room for lots of character development (what will the regular tau do if different ethereals start saying they need to do different things 'for the greater good'?

Basically, they'll be forced to 'grow up' as a species, and realize governing an enormous empire can't be done on nice words or ideology, but that you need real, sometimes awful policy for that.


Eldar lose a few maiden worlds/craftworlds to the nid/necron and ork/chaos wars, and are also moving closer to extinction. They basically struggle to hang onto their culture. But then, they find something in the Webway that could save them. For example, a way to close the Eye. Or they are forced to increase ties with 'lesser' races like tau and human, again also to preserve their species, shattering their image of superiority.

There. Gonna add this to my previous post.

I play Ultimate Apocalypse, and my favorite activity is decking out the Canoness and razing armies.

Hah yeah, she can be a beast when fully upgraded. On par with a decked out warboss, even (though she might need some faith power to help her overcome the ridiculous health and damage of that thing).

By the way, as I was playing Ultimate Apocalypse some days ago while listening to the ER plug dj, Suddenly something beautiful happened.

Was playing necrons vs eldar and orks. I had amassed a big army of warriors, pariahs and immortals. And as they were marching, stripping the flesh of everything in their path, this song started playing:

One winged Angel.

I swear to god, I just clicked 'attack move' and watched slackjawed. So goddamn fitting.

By the end of the song, my necron lord speared and gutted the last farseer, and everything was dead. All was quiet.

[Radio Controlled]

Well then, I tested the ultimate apocalypse multiplayer with pancaek, and it was a smashing success. Easy to set up using their server, and it's great fun blasting away xenos with more people.

We did discover however, that while in singleplayer skirmish you get all the races even if only soulstorm is installed, for multiplayer you also need the previous DOW games installed to get them, otherwise it's only dark eldar, sisters of battle and tyranids for multi. Luckily we did have the other games, so I could play as Imperial Guard and steamroll some heretics with airdropped baneblades. And airborn Kasrkin ferried around via Valkyrie.

Oh, and that certain special victory conditions (which work like costumization options) give desyncs. Hilaruously though, the game doesn't crash, it just keeps going with two different 'timelines'.

"Dude, your base is under attack, won't you do something?

"What the hell are you talking about? I'm trashing their base over here!"

"What the what?!?"

 

[GiglameshDespair]

The lore about necrons doesn't make sense anymore. Also, there's a war between them, but one faction can literally destroy any system it wants at pretty much any time. Why is there a cold war when one side has the supernuke?

If the Deciever started the Gothic war to destroy the blackstone fortresses - the only weapons that could destroy C'tan - now he's actually been in little bits for hundreds of thousands of years, so it a)couldn't have been him and b) so the blackstone fortresses weren't the only things, apparently.

A the C'tan as a threat just seem massively downgraded now that the Necrons have broken them up with their Gauss Pickaxes or whatever. I liked the mysterious doombots rather than space-tomb kings, because the real focus was always on the much more interesting C'tan.

[Radio Controlled]

Yeah, people often refer to the C'tan now as 'pokémon', seeing as how they're contained inside those shards and can be called upon to fight.

Maybe they don't want to use that weapon for fear of overkill (in 40k? Hah!) or escalation? Or some honor thing (which they have now, apparently) perhaps.

They do say though that if C'tan shards are put together the C'tan inside becomes more powerful, to the point that if enough pieces are together it could 'become whole again' so to speak.

[Loud Whispers]

Secondly, The expansion of the Eye due to increased Chaos powers can be used as an excuse why orks get drawn to this portion of space, giving a big WHAAAGH that fully hits it. Cue biggest whaagh yet, right into the Eye.

This is by far one of the things that MUST happen. Failbaddon gets ready for the next great crusade and gets comically wrecked by bread mould and dakka, lightens the mood a bit with hilarious genocide and awesomeness whilst progressing the story. There's a brilliant bit of lore in that one Ork warboss fought a Khornate demon in his space hulk once, and was forever hooked with fighting them. He led his warband across the Imperium and into a Cadian deathworld used for training stormtroopers, just when the Imperium think everything's gone to shits and they need to fight the Orks the Orks leave the world and head for the eye of terror.
They burn world after world to the ground until they finally reach one Khornate demon world which at first appears empty. They begin tearing the planet apart until Khorny demons start appearing everywhere, one by one they all die. The Ork warboss actually castrates a khornate demon before being killed by it.
It doesn't end there, as the Orks are brought back to life every sunrise to keep fighting the demons.
Ork vs chaos OTP

What you basically want is the 40k Apocalypse. From reading the fiction, I can tell you the Apocalypse for 40k is the triumph of the Warp over Reality.

1. Hell yes, apocalypse now!
2. I wouldn't say so. The triumph of the warp over reality I take to be the inevitable end state of everything, you wouldn't really say the heat death of the universe is the apocalypse - that happens earlier, and much more violently. The apocalypse is going to happen because of the Empy, Chaos, Eldar, Pokemon, Nids, Blueberries and Orks all getting their shit together and start blowing everything up.

[WhitiusOpus]

Also, if anyone wants to play the Ultimate Apocalypse mod for Dawn of War: Soulstorm, add me on steam - same name. Or alternatively, message me your steam name and we can get some games rollin'.

[nenjin]

2. I wouldn't say so. The triumph of the warp over reality I take to be the inevitable end state of everything, you wouldn't really say the heat death of the universe is the apocalypse - that happens earlier, and much more violently. The apocalypse is going to happen because of the Empy, Chaos, Eldar, Pokemon, Nids, Blueberries and Orks all getting their shit together and start blowing everything up.

No, it's more like, imagine if the inevitable heat death of the universe recruited scientists to build machines on the sly, to accelerate the heat death of the universe.

[Loud Whispers]

No, it's more like, imagine if the inevitable heat death of the universe recruited scientists to build machines on the sly, to accelerate the heat death of the universe.

Point taken. But say if the Fungus, Nids or Blueberries win; Chaos is dead as we know it. Specifically, as humans know it.

[Radio Controlled]

No, it's more like, imagine if the inevitable heat death of the universe recruited scientists to build machines on the sly, to accelerate the heat death of the universe.

Point taken. But say if the Fungus, Nids or Blueberries win; Chaos is dead as we know it. Specifically, as humans know it.

I think Khorne loves him some orks though. Remember that Chaos gods don't necessarily need direct worship, the emotions themselves are enough to 'feed' them.

[Loud Whispers]

I think Khorne loves him some orks though. Remember that Chaos gods don't necessarily need direct worship, the emotions themselves are enough to 'feed' them.

I'm pretty certain the Orks eat their own rage and leave the scraps for Gork and Mork to devour; there'd be nothing left for skull collector.

[Mictlantecuhtli]

But seriously, don't fuck with the C'tan. WH40k is my favorite lore. So much aspects. I can get lost in the Lexicanum forever.

[Rolepgeek]

Oh look a warhammer 40k thread.

I does not approve of Tau storyline advancing shenanigans. >.>

But then again it's certainly halfway possible. I just don't like it. Plus Kroot have Warp Engines of a sort and I still don't get why the Tau aren't reverse engineering those.

[GiglameshDespair]

I remember hearing something about how the tau don't use the warp now, they use almost light speed. But if they do, they can't hold an empire when it'd take them years to make a journey and for everyone else it'd probably take a week. Sure, the warp occasionalyl messes things up, but it still allows communication and travel faster than light.

Say the distant between each star is 3 light years. For everyone lese that's a small - a few days to a few weeks, without great Warp fuckery. With Tau now, that's at least three years. By then, whatever invading army has invaded, taken over the planet, then left for the planet the tau fleet is departing from and passed them on the way.