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[LordBaal]

It looks like a freaking siege tank from Starcraft... so now the plagiarizing circle is complete, they are stealing from a game that started as a pitch of a game of their own lore...

[pisskop]

its too clean.  like the rest of the secundus marines.

it looks more like a Halo inspired tank to me

[Kot]

Giving them a floaty supertank is fucking dumb. Hell, they could've gotten away with a modified baneblade or something, atleast it'd be more beliveable and fitting the faction.

It already existed, it was called Fellblade (basically Baneblade with nice bubble turret and two main cannons), and was another victim of post-Horus Heresy "nobody gets to have all the toys", which also resulted in splitting the Imperial Army into Navy and Guard. Basically, it was Guard who were supposed to deal with heavy tank support now, and so on.

But now we have Primaris Space Marines, which get ALL THE TOYS. From the gamplay standpoint, it feels like Grey Knights v2.0, and from lore standpoint, unless it backfires horribly and results in Second Horus Heresy (unlikely ATM), also feels like Grey Knights 2.0. MUH FUCKING BEST MARINES WITH BEST FUCKING TANKS BEST BEST BEST BEST BEST BEST. Like, holy fuck, I actually liked the Custodes Machines Of Bling, because Custodes were supposed to be Rape Machines all around and have been very lacking in terms of lore and models for long time, but this is just forced now.

[Tack]

Yeah... Makes me curious what a 'Light' superheavy would be like.
That could actually be quite cool, from marines.

Lightest superheavy currently in the game is the Stormsurge.

[Loud Whispers]

The one saving grace would be if they go full horus heresy 2 guililboi boogaloo, showing a split between the Western Roman Empire and Eastern Roman Empire Imperium of Man and Ultramar. Imperium gets everything blocky and skull shaped, Ultramar gets starcraft

[Tack]

Roboute and Cawl vs Dorn and... Someone.

[Loud Whispers]

Roboute and Cawl vs Dorn and... Someone.

Jaghatai Khan pls

You'd have all the symbology of Greek Ultrasmurfs surrounded by Mongol and Roman imagery

[Dorsidwarf]

Jaghatai shows up, sacks the entirety of Ultramar while Bootay is elsewhere, flogs it to the tau and heads back into the webway with enough drinking money to last another ten thousand years

[Rolan7]

KHAAAAAN

That guy does seem pretty great though, lore-wise.  Mongol Horde loyalists with jetbikes yes.

[Egan_BW]

I love that guy.

[Trekkin]

But now we have Primaris Space Marines, which get ALL THE TOYS. From the gamplay standpoint, it feels like Grey Knights v2.0, and from lore standpoint, unless it backfires horribly and results in Second Horus Heresy (unlikely ATM), also feels like Grey Knights 2.0. MUH FUCKING BEST MARINES WITH BEST FUCKING TANKS BEST BEST BEST BEST BEST BEST.

Marines having all the toys ruins one of the more interesting things about them: that they aren't so much an army as a raging barbarian horde. Everything in their arsenal, from their ships to the Marines themselves, is built with the underlying assumption that Marines exist to punch the enemies of Man in the face; all other capabilities are secondary to getting Marines stuck in. Their ships love to fire Marines at ships and planets and so on; their biggest tanks are transports with guns. In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only rushing headlong at the enemy with fridge-sized slabs of angry meat and beating the crap out of them while yelling about the Emperor. The Guard handles everything else, and that dichotomy is interesting in a narrative sense. It makes it possible for them to be both awesome and fallible. It gives them reasons to need the aid of the tiny humans with shovels and artillery support. It also provided insight into the mind of the Emperor and humanized Horus slightly, in that the Marines are not only living weapons but living weapons specialized for a function that would be of limited utility in the empire they were created to conquer.

Primaris Marines, though, lose that fallibility, and not in a good way. They're just bigger better boring Marines that trade awesomeness for nuance, like they just stepped out of a propaganda poster. Now, you could argue that this is Guilliman's fault in-universe for replicating the mistakes of the father he so blindly idolizes (and Cawl's for not slapping him upside the head with a mechadendrite for being so myopic), but I also don't think a new Horus Heresy is coming so this is unlikely to ever be fully explored.

Then again, I mostly use 40k for running DH games, so I'm less concerned with the mechanics on the tabletop and more worried about narrative anyway. Maybe the Marines needed the Primaris to continue to be the flagship product.

[Tack]

I remember when we were all saying 'Primaris is just a way for them to put truescale marines in without having to retire an entire legacy of models'

[Egan_BW]

I like the Imperial Guard as the "actually just a normal space-army" better than as "horde of ineffectual tiny humans". For that reason I like the fact that they have more practical tanks and artillery and stuff than the giant Space Marines.

[Andres]

How do the Tau stack up against the Eldar in terms of armies?

[Trekkin]

How do the Tau stack up against the Eldar in terms of armies?

In what way do you want their armies compared? On the tabletop, in the lore, or in the video games?