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[pisskop]

Hi Ive seen (listened to) a few youtube battles and Im just curious how do coorelate APx to Lore?

AP be armor piercing.  Fair enough.  But what is a human, a standard sm, and a tank?

[Grim Portent]

AP from the tabletop doesn't translate very well since livings creatures and tanks have different rules for damage.

A guardsman has a 5+ save, a space marine a 3+, and a vehicle has an armour rating between 10-15 that determines how high a weapon needs to roll to hurt it. Usually around 12 or 13 for a battle tank.

In the RPGs which are a better comparison point for organics vs vehicles a guardsman has a toughness of 3 and armour 4, for a total soak of 7, a space marine has toughness 8 and armour 8 (10 on the chest) for a total of 16/18, and a Chimera tank has something like 30 armour on the front. Armour penetration stats reduce the armour part of somethings soak but not the toughness component, so a plasma gun's damage is reduced by just 3 against a guardsman, but by 9 (they're AP7) against a space marine.

EDIT: With the RPGs going out of production I'm starting to get all nostalgic about some silly characters I built for Black Crusade but never got to try out, like the Iron Warrior who starts with a 4 tonne promethium supply to use as a giant explosive to nuke a 4-mile radius with 4000d10 damage, or the Cyber-Dragon (made by abusing DH->BC transparency rules and the xeno-augmentation service from DH with the acquisition rules of BC,) or the Houndmaster, or the Cavalry Lord, the Traitor Guard Commander, the wandering Dark Apostle, and the Daemon Possessed Khorne Terminator Lord of DOOM!

[sprinkled chariot]

I'm just having trouble imagining why any sort of plasma is AP5.

The projectile dissipates too fast on impact to burn through anything heavier than flak armour.

So 9000 + degrees hot small stars dont instantly melt power armour?

[Grim Portent]

I'm just having trouble imagining why any sort of plasma is AP5.

The projectile dissipates too fast on impact to burn through anything heavier than flak armour.

So 9000 + degrees hot small stars dont instantly melt power armour?

Not if most of the energy has been lost to the surrounding environment, no.

[MrRoboto75]

It will, however, melt the arms off the space marine that shot it.

About 80% of the time if its the first shot he makes in a game.

[Kot]

Core meltdown =/= single shoot.

[Dorsidwarf]

It will, however, melt the arms off the space marine that shot it.

About 80% of the time if its the first shot he makes in a game.

Well, if it's ap5, its Tau Pukse and doesn't overheat

[sprinkled chariot]

Just read about DAKKA WARS

Waagh leader introduced concept of retreat in ork ,, kultur" and defeated tau commanders, as their books on ork psychology dont have anything about ork retreats.

Also DA BIG RAID

-Hm, lone transport vessel is going to dock, kinda suspicious, but all response codes are allright.
-You want to tell, that orks can try to use our naval codes and our ship, dont tell bullshit shasla, open up the docking port
-* door opens*
-WAAAAAAAGH! 

[stabbymcstabstab]

-snip-

That was one of the most entertaining things I've read yet this year.

[TheBiggerFish]

Just read about DAKKA WARS

Waagh leader introduced concept of retreat in ork ,, kultur" and defeated tau commanders, as their books on ork psychology dont have anything about ork retreats.

Also DA BIG RAID

-Hm, lone transport vessel is going to dock, kinda suspicious, but all response codes are allright.
-You want to tell, that orks can try to use our naval codes and our ship, dont tell bullshit shasla, open up the docking port
-* door opens*
-WAAAAAAAGH!

Where can I read this

[My Name is Immaterial]

Just read about DAKKA WARS

Waagh leader introduced concept of retreat in ork ,, kultur" and defeated tau commanders, as their books on ork psychology dont have anything about ork retreats.

Also DA BIG RAID

-Hm, lone transport vessel is going to dock, kinda suspicious, but all response codes are allright.
-You want to tell, that orks can try to use our naval codes and our ship, dont tell bullshit shasla, open up the docking port
-* door opens*
-WAAAAAAAGH!

Where can I read this

According to the Lexicanum, Ork Codexes for the 4th and 7th editions. It doesn't sound like there's a lot of fluff on this, I'm afraid.

[Grim Portent]

I have recently found out there's a Horus Heresy army capable of fielding power armoured ogryn with toughness 6 and power weapons. I now want to try and model such a thing.

[sprinkled chariot]

Just read about DAKKA WARS

Waagh leader introduced concept of retreat in ork ,, kultur" and defeated tau commanders, as their books on ork psychology dont have anything about ork retreats.

Also DA BIG RAID

-Hm, lone transport vessel is going to dock, kinda suspicious, but all response codes are allright.
-You want to tell, that orks can try to use our naval codes and our ship, dont tell bullshit shasla, open up the docking port
-* door opens*
-WAAAAAAAGH!

Where can I read this

Lexicanum, sadly there is not much about that.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Grog_Ironteef

[Tack]

Power armored monstrous creature ogryns

What. Who?

[Grim Portent]

Power armored monstrous creature ogryns

What. Who?

The Imperial Militia and Cults army list from HH5 Tempest.

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Imperial_Militia_and_Cults_(30k)#Allies

One of their upgrades is (nearly) army wide +1 to armour saves to a max of 3+, and the ogryn can take carapace armour so it becomes a 3+ armour save like power armour. They can also buy power weapons so they can be anywhere between S5 and S7 depending on the AP value you want. Another army wide upgrade is +1T -1I, which again affects ogryn units.