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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion thread: Disorder Vacuum Seamen.
« Reply #4830 on: July 11, 2016, 07:23:42 am »

GW made the Squats back in 1st edition 40k, then when they were re-writing stuff for 2nd edition none of the designers could face trying to update Squats into a form they didn't find embarrassing, so they let them fade into obscurity for ages then eventually decided to have them nommed by 'nids in the fluff so people would stop bugging them about a codex update.

Because that is always a GREAT thing people do: The second something becomes irrelevant you can immediately kill them off, sometimes in very gruesome and disrespectful ways in order to appease anyone who could have possibly been fans as well as respect the history of the series as a whole.

Looks like GW has learned some lessons from Marvel and DC... Impressive.

But I dunno... couldn't they have done something even more disrespectful at the same time?

Ohh yes! that is right! They created a Tau faction meant to replace them. Which given that they killed off the Squats... yeah :P

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I am not personally miffed. This is just a REALLY poor attitude for creators to take with their work and I am honestly tired of it in other mediums.

There is a reason why in Strong Bad's Cool Game For Attractive People 3: Dangeresk 3. I actually LOVED the idea of "Retirement Island" a place where sidekicks go where IF you can retire and go there... You are granted immunity to being killed off.

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Another example? One of the creators of Fallout stated that the talking deathclaws in the 2nd game died out completely... Because he didn't like the idea of talking animals. (now THAT cheesed me off... if only because they did so well on them and actually made them imposing and almost mystical as they could see your past crimes)
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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion thread: Disorder Vacuum Seamen.
« Reply #4831 on: July 11, 2016, 08:07:45 am »

The Squats were Space Dwarves.
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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion thread: Disorder Vacuum Seamen.
« Reply #4832 on: July 11, 2016, 08:18:35 am »

GW couldn't come up with a way to make the squats cool/unique and not IG with different stats and tanks, so they asploded them and made up a lore friendly excuse. Which is kinda sad, since even if they didn't have any uniqueness to them people would still likely play them.
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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion thread: Disorder Vacuum Seamen.
« Reply #4833 on: July 11, 2016, 11:00:42 am »

Also they somewhat returnes in the form of the Demirurg, which are alien squats witha passion for mining and trade. On TT they are present only in BFG as Tau allies.
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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion thread: Disorder Vacuum Seamen.
« Reply #4834 on: July 11, 2016, 11:46:44 am »

Yeah they had a dev write up a huge post or something on why Squats were actually terrible. It was a pretty convincing read.
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« Reply #4835 on: July 11, 2016, 11:50:19 am »

Space elves, no space dwarves. And when we had dwarves, they were just mutant humans, while space elves are ancient super wise "superior" beings. Clearly biased.
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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion thread: Disorder Vacuum Seamen.
« Reply #4836 on: July 11, 2016, 12:10:55 pm »

Space elves, no space dwarves. And when we had dwarves, they were just mutant humans, while space elves are ancient super wise "superior" beings. Clearly biased.
And then there's space orcs, who are even more superior, and space mummies at the top of the superior chain. Much later, space animes were added to the bottom of the chain.
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« Reply #4837 on: July 11, 2016, 02:08:05 pm »

Eh, better than the 'Space Good' and 'Space Evil' whose battle stirred up the 'Space More Evil'.
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« Reply #4838 on: July 11, 2016, 02:54:13 pm »

Space elves, no space dwarves. And when we had dwarves, they were just mutant humans, while space elves are ancient super wise "superior" beings. Clearly biased.
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« Reply #4839 on: July 11, 2016, 03:06:31 pm »

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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion thread: Disorder Vacuum Seamen.
« Reply #4840 on: July 11, 2016, 03:30:26 pm »

Holy shit, I love those Tau vs Imperium discussions.
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Anyways, kinda late to the party, but I saw that the Tau vs Imperium discussion got a little heated at some point. It didn't boil over though, so I'll be stashing the electrowhips for now and just keep it to a friendly but stern reminder to keep the cool at all times.

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« Reply #4841 on: July 11, 2016, 06:51:44 pm »

Because that is always a GREAT thing people do: The second something becomes irrelevant you can immediately kill them off, sometimes in very gruesome and disrespectful ways in order to appease anyone who could have possibly been fans as well as respect the history of the series as a whole.
It was the best thing they could've done. The squats were an embarassment that needed to be removed from the franchise permanently. The way they did it was lore-consistent and without fuss, which was the ideal way to handle them.
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« Reply #4842 on: July 11, 2016, 06:55:26 pm »

It is the best thing they could do. The Tau are an embarassment that need to be removed from the franchise permanently. The way they'll do it will be lore-consistent and without fuss, which is the ideal way to handle them.
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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion thread: Disorder Vacuum Seamen.
« Reply #4843 on: July 11, 2016, 06:58:29 pm »

It is the best thing they could do. The Tau are an embarassment that need to be removed from the franchise permanently. The way they'll do it will be lore-consistent and without fuss, which is the ideal way to handle them.
Squats fired.
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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion thread: Disorder Vacuum Seamen.
« Reply #4844 on: July 11, 2016, 07:04:13 pm »

It is the best thing they could do. The Tau are an embarassment that need to be removed from the franchise permanently. The way they'll do it will be lore-consistent and without fuss, which is the ideal way to handle them.
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