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[MetalSlimeHunt]

Essentially, Chaos can override your free will once it gets inside you, and because of that there's not really any going back. Even the lowliest mortal worshiper becomes a part of Chaos in much the same way that everything from daemons to the Ruinous Powers are all parts of one overarching Chaos.

The only consistent defense is what the Imperium calls the Armor of Contempt. The more zealous hatred you have for Chaos, the more difficulty it has making a connection to your soul so it can download all sorts of ethereal malware. This is, in theory, what makes the Grey Knights special: They are being selected not for maximum hardiness but maximum contempt, allowing them to fight Chaos in places that a normal human could be corrupted just by being in, even if they were loyal.

[Rolepgeek]

...Doesn't hatred kinda hold it's place in Khorne?

I mean, like, you need to be pretty heavily tainted/in a pretty Warpy or Chaos infested area to have your free will subsumed. I mean, it'll get undermined in the meantime from the whispers and gradual loosening of whatever previous moral structure you had if you're actually turning more and more to Chaos, but I don't think Chaos actually possesses people that often. Not worth the time, usually. It'll fill them, but mind slaving means you don't get the same benefit of delicious emotions, as far as I'm aware.

As far as I knew, Grey Knights were just mini-Primarchs, with a thousand beta psykers or something stupid being sacrificed for each one made.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

The furious, animal, berserker rage is the domain of Khorne. The Armor of Contempt is zeal. It contains hate, yes, but it is a hate bonded with a sense of overriding superiority and intellect. This is not the domain of the blood god.

And I disagree, the loss of free will is altogether more subtle than all that. That's what the Imperium is so afraid of when non-Astartes are allowed to fight daemons, just being exposed is enough to flip some of them, and not only that but who was flipped and when they'll strike is entirely unknowable. It's like Reaper indoctrination, some people afflicted with Chaos don't even know what they're doing is ultimately in the service of the Ruinous Powers.

This is also what the FFG games represent with the Corruption mechanic. Once you cross the threshold of 100, it doesn't really matter if you want to serve Chaos or not, Chaos can and will make use of you even if you remain loyal. It's not possession, there's no daemon puppeting your body, but you have been folded into the pattern that is Chaos and will always turn towards it in the end.

Your characterization of possession is backwards though, daemons love possessing people and feeding off their very conscious terror at being imprisoned in their own mind. Not to mention, possession is almost categorically superior to manifestation, which fades quickly.

[Rolepgeek]

Yeah. Once you hit that threshold. That was my point. There's a leadup until that. And yeah Tzeentch can Tzeentch but making out as if that were the result of any Chaos taint whatsoever is ridiculous. Fighting back against your own corruption seems like it would be a theme in quite a few novels, really. The Imperium is just OCD about it because the hate and zeal and mindlessness they instill means that if you aren't following the Emperor, you're gonna find something else to follow. "Blessed is the mind too small for doubt." But the smaller the mind, the less it takes to be changed. They're worried about Space Marines because they already had an incident where half their elite warriors fucked off to the enemy side, and would rather avoid it happening a second time if possible.

Daemons love possessing people. Chaos does not. Chaos and Daemons are distinct. I'm talking about mindless soulless husks, which aren't done to literally every cultist, which Chaos obviously has the power to do so, because as soon as you get in the Warp you're open to anything. Only Nurgle does that on a massive scale as far as I know. It still happens to some cultists in the other ones, but it's usually just the typical corruption being full swing.

[Andres]

Do the Eldar understand Imperial technology? If some random Eldar in Rogue Trader looked at the inside of a Volkite Caliver, would he understand the technology even if he thought of it with contempt?

Also, how do you pronounce 'Chieorovile'?

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Most likely they would dismiss it as unbearably primitive, much like we today have a conceptual but not technical understanding of things like manuscript copying or preindustrial mining.

The two major hurdles to actual understanding are that the Eldar have psychic power woven into their technology and understanding of the universe while humans don't, and then that almost all human technology contains machine spirits. Conceived of by humans. Humans who really, really fucking hate aliens in general and Eldar in particular.

[Egan_BW]

Do the Eldar understand Imperial technology? If some random Eldar in Rogue Trader looked at the inside of a Volkite Caliver, would he understand the technology even if he thought of it with contempt?

The most entertaining headcanon would be that human tech looks basically like ork tech to more advanced races, right down to "this doesn't actually make sense to work the way it does."

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Not entirely headcanon, since machine spirits can and do account for physical errors in human technology.

[Loud Whispers]

Essentially, Chaos can override your free will once it gets inside you, and because of that there's not really any going back. Even the lowliest mortal worshiper becomes a part of Chaos in much the same way that everything from daemons to the Ruinous Powers are all parts of one overarching Chaos.

Makes sense then that the possessed guardsman was capable of carrying out one last attack only in the presence of a blank - his decision making process had literally been cut off from Chaos

The only consistent defense is what the Imperium calls the Armor of Contempt. The more zealous hatred you have for Chaos, the more difficulty it has making a connection to your soul so it can download all sorts of ethereal malware. This is, in theory, what makes the Grey Knights special: They are being selected not for maximum hardiness but maximum contempt, allowing them to fight Chaos in places that a normal human could be corrupted just by being in, even if they were loyal.

Also:

• Big pauldrons
• Purity seals everywhere
• Living saints
• Blanks / Pariahs / Cullexus ass
• Woad (???)
  
  

  "Blessed is the mind too small for doubt." But the smaller the mind, the less it takes to be changed.

  The greater the mind, the greater the appeal of Chaos is, because greater minds seek more novelties and desire more. I always love that about the Eldar story, they are the masters of their galaxy, superior with no equal, shaping the very Universe and its gods to their will, defeating death itself - but they could not conquer their greatest enemy. BOREDOM
  
  Ogryn Gav and Bob
  Nuff said

[Kot]

I HAVE RETURNED.

Just a thought I had, the 40k lore has plenty of characters that turn to chaos, but does it also have characters that somehow turn their backs on chaos and free themself from its corrupting influence?

Captain Larana Utorian, the only canon case of Female Space Marine...ish person did exactly that. After being captured by Chaos warband Aspiring Champion guy to polish his guns and armor (quite literally, actually), but the armour was heretical and daemonically infused and she wore it and then proceeded to horribly murder a lot of people (including the owner of the armour and her Imperial Guard comrades) on both sides of major battle until reaching some serious deamon in middle of deamonic fortress and then she exploded herself with a grenade to fuck up Chaos beyond belief.
Because no matter what, Imperial Guardswoman holds the fucking line.

So, yeah, it happens, and you can actually break free of Chaos but if it happens you either get gunned down by Chaos or Imperial dudes.

[miauw62]

Essentially, Chaos can override your free will once it gets inside you, and because of that there's not really any going back. Even the lowliest mortal worshiper becomes a part of Chaos in much the same way that everything from daemons to the Ruinous Powers are all parts of one overarching Chaos.

The only consistent defense is what the Imperium calls the Armor of Contempt. The more zealous hatred you have for Chaos, the more difficulty it has making a connection to your soul so it can download all sorts of ethereal malware. This is, in theory, what makes the Grey Knights special: They are being selected not for maximum hardiness but maximum contempt, allowing them to fight Chaos in places that a normal human could be corrupted just by being in, even if they were loyal.

maximum contempt?

>yfw the grey knights were angry marines all along

[90908]

Ogryn Gav and Bob
Nuff said

Goddamn, Loud. I'm crying again.

[Egan_BW]

How many powerful Blanks would you have to sacrifice in order to create an Emporor-tier being, but anti-warp instead of warpy? Is it possible to cover the whole galaxy in an anti-warp field?
Would break every form of FTL except tyranid method, but I'm sure it'll be fine.

[Andres]

How many powerful Blanks would you have to sacrifice in order to create an Emporor-tier being, but anti-warp instead of warpy? Is it possible to cover the whole galaxy in an anti-warp field?

You're expecting soulless beings to work in a way that beings with souls work. It doesn't. If you sacrifice that many powerful blanks all at once, all you get is a great many corpses.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

The anti-warp effect doesn't appear to coalesce like the warp effect does. While there can definitely be a concentration and various levels of becalming, there isn't "negative warp energy", it just stops at zero warp disruption.

Doing something like this to the entire galaxy was endgame for Oldcrons, and cutting off FTL would be a minor issue compared to the fact that it would also kill all forms of life (unless you consider Necrons alive).

Tyranid FTL would still work except that all the Nids in the Milky Way would die (and maybe keep dying on entry). Necron FTL, whatever the fuck it actually is, would probably still work. Depending upon circumstance the Webway might survive, and with it the Dark Eldar.