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[Tack]

Uh...
Avatar of Khaine vs C'tan:
the C'tan wins, hands down. They're basically gods.
Avatar of Khaine vs C'tan Shard:
well that's a fight you could actually field on tabletop (and I think it comes down to: does he get in sword-range? Then yes.

Khaine himself vs a C'tan.... I'll palm that question onto someone with more lore knowledge.

Playing an Apoc game.
For once nobody was taking superheavies. Even token power gamer roomate was giving the whole "not actually gonna field a wraithknight this time".
Just saw his list. Wraithknight.
It's almost like he planned to bait us out of taking superheavy killers.

This is the reason Emprah gave us the Leman Russ Vanquisher. 130(?) points, bs3  (and I think) strength D

Ahaha, I wish.
They're BS3 S8 AP2 Heavy 1 Armorbane. (Ergo; coinflip>coinflip>Invul+>FNP+>1/6 wounds)
The only IG str: D is a shadowsword baneblade.
Which I'll never get because that's basically giving in to peer pressure.

(I am the biggest WH40k conservative. My gaming group hates it because I give them stink-eye when they field superheavies, and sometimes actively refuse to play when they bring forgeworld.
I'm actually pretty torn up about it tbh. I'm the only person I know with these 'ideals'.)

So yeah, It was 2v2v2 and wraithknight-guys ally decided to bring a Revenant Fucking Titan.
Bullshit for days.

[BlackHeartKabal]

Khaine himself vs a C'tan.... I'll palm that question onto someone with more lore knowledge.

Khaine was shattered into pieces when Slaanesh went on his warpath against the Eldar pantheon. His only presence is in the Avatars of Khaine.

[Tack]

Well that wasn't at all what I was after.
Well

During the War in Heaven, Khaine fought and defeated the Nightbringer, shattering his necrodermis into pieces

There we go. Khaine wins.

[Kot]

Well that wasn't at all what I was after.
Well

During the War in Heaven, Khaine fought and defeated the Nightbringer, shattering his necrodermis into pieces

There we go. Khaine wins.

Pre-fall Khaine. He doesn't really exist as a separate being, although most C'Tan aren't in better shape. If you're askin specifically pre-fall, then it's proably balanced in slight favour of Khaine, but it depends on C'tan in question.

[Tack]

Seeing as there would literally be no way to set up a 1v1 in the current "all Eldar gods are dead,, shattered or enslaved, all C'tan are dead, shattered and enslaved"  canon...
Yeah, I'm talking pre-fall.

But after doing some browsing the Necrons and Eldar have different ideas re: the war in heaven.
Not sure that the Eldar gods were mature enough to take on the C'tan, before the Necrobs turned against them.
So possibly a Khaine v C'tan fight could only exist as a hypothetical.
Doesn't make the "he's shattered so your question is invalid" statement any more helpful .

[Grim Portent]

Pre-Fall Khaine defeated the Nightbringer, generally considered one of the stronger C'tan in single combat, but was embedded with shards of the Nightbringer's necrodermis in the process.

sidenote - I think the necrodermis corruption is why Khaine broke into shards himself during the Fall. Given the fluff for C'tan shards and Ferrus Manus it seems reasonable to assume. /sidenote



An Avatar of Khaine vs a C'tan Shard on the other hand, well, based on their tabletop stats a Shard is stronger and tougher, but slower and less skilled in battle than the Avatar. In theory the Avatar can defeat them in one on one close combat easily, but C'tan do have some really nasty reality warping attacks that could lay the Avatar out before he can reach it.

[Tack]

Here's a pretty obscure lore question: Did the Fall affect the prevalence of the Enslavers?
Or were they already basically gone by then?

[Grim Portent]

Here's a pretty obscure lore question: Did the Fall affect the prevalence of the Enslavers?
Or were they already basically gone by then?

Enslavers stopped being prevalent after the mass extinction following their initial incursion into realspace. By the time the Fall rolled around they had diminished to roughly the levels they exist at in the 41st millenium.

[sprinkled chariot]

It takes a primarch to punch down Khaine,
and it takes one fabulous ultramarine captain( Cato Sicarius) to defeat nightbringer.
If we use space marines as measure awesomeness then Khaine is more cool.

[Tack]

Neither of those are right.
Nightbringer (back when nightbringer was a model) was really fucked up for the time.
Currently would be a Lord of War, I bet.

As for how an Avatar of Khaine currently does against a primarch, I think the bloody-handed god would smack any one of them down as an afterthought.

These loyalists, tho. Such hubris.


Edit: holy crap I only just realized that with the stats on Skarbrand, a Primarch could probably hurt Khorne.

[Andres]

I should clarify I meant a C'tan shard, not a whole C'tan.

[Grim Portent]

As for how an Avatar of Khaine currently does against a primarch, I think the bloody-handed god would smack any one of them down as an afterthought.

An Avatar of Khaine gets killed by Fulgrim in one of the HH novels. Avatars are strong, but not really any stronger than a Greater Daemon.

holy crap I only just realized that with the stats on Skarbrand, a Primarch could probably hurt Khorne.

But Skarbrand didn't even hurt Khorne, he just chipped his armour. Skarbrand is also probably weaker since being cast out. He was supposed to be the strongest of all daemons at his height, enough so that the other gods viewed him with a measure of fear and he could defeat all other bloodthirsters in battle. Compare his stats to Ann'Grath who is considerably stronger than Skarbrand is at the moment.

[TempAcc]

Yea, a avatar of khaine is roughly around the power level of a greater daemon. Basically an eldar equivalent of a bloodthirster, only maybe more skilled. Any living primarch can punch out either of those out of existence. On c'tan shards, i'm not sure, but considering Khaine was scary enough to have been a threat for the chaos gods, his full self could prob easily face any full c'tan, and he did beat the nightbringer. The C'tan are powerful, but not thaaaaat powerful cosmically speaking, if we take into account the emprah himself punched the void dragon (or what was left of him) into slumber, without suffering much from the fight, if the legends are to be believed.

Didn't Lorgar beat up a raging avatar of khaine by himself in pre-heresy times? I remember reading something about it.

[Grim Portent]

Yea, a avatar of khaine is roughly around the power level of a greater daemon. Basically an eldar equivalent of a bloodthirster, only maybe more skilled.

Same level of skill (both are WS10 in tabletop) but the Avatar is faster (I10 like a Keeper of Secrets). The Avatar is more or less a cross between a Bloodthirster and a Keeper of Secrets.

[Tack]

The C'tan almost single-handedly exterminated the old ones.
But, admittedly, at the time they were roided up on Necron souls.

I should clarify I meant a C'tan shard, not a whole C'tan.

Avatar of Khaine vs C'tan Shard:
Well that's a fight you could actually field on tabletop (and I think it comes down to: does Avatar get in sword-range? Then yes.)

An Avatar of Khaine vs a C'tan Shard on the other hand, well, based on their tabletop stats a Shard is stronger and tougher, but slower and less skilled in battle than the Avatar. In theory the Avatar can defeat them in one on one close combat easily, but C'tan do have some really nasty reality warping attacks that could lay the Avatar out before he can reach it.