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Author Topic: WH40K discussion thread: from Tyran's heart I stab at thee.  (Read 1043459 times)

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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion thread: Disorder Vacuum Seamen.
« Reply #1965 on: November 04, 2015, 04:39:17 pm »

Every faction kills Inquisitors when they think they can get away with it and are more scared of being arrested for what they had already done than the added punishments of killing the Inquisitor, even the Ecclesiarchy. Inquisitors investigating the Mechanicus or Astartes often vanish mysteriously.
Hell, the Sons of Malice chapter actually ate an Inquisitor alive for interrupting their chapter rites with an army of Sororitas. They got excommunicated for it because enough people knew what happened that word got back to the rest of the Inquisition, but a lot of Inquisitors die with no one being certain who actually did it.
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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion thread: Disorder Vacuum Seamen.
« Reply #1966 on: November 04, 2015, 04:49:33 pm »

Inquisitors vanish without trace rather often, too. So if you do it cleanly enough, in the right place and at the right time, its unlikely you'll get caught. I mean, look at the Calixis Sector. Inquisitors often to there to investigate stuff, and many just kind of go ~poof~

You'd think a place where so many inquisitors get a critical case of existence failure would get completely exterminatus'd, but nope, they just keep sending more inquisitors to investigate why the previous inquisitors disappeared.
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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion thread: Disorder Vacuum Seamen.
« Reply #1967 on: November 04, 2015, 05:41:15 pm »


Inquisitional Philosophy: Autospiritines

The Autospiritines are a divisive group of Inquisitors associated with Puritanism, though one would not know it for how they are despised by the Monodominants and Thorians. Indeed, it perhaps only the staunch desire of Imperial harmony from the Amalathian power bloc that prevents the Autospiritines from being cast out into the perilous state of Radicalism, or perhaps to darker places still.

The source of this hatred, and the core of the Autospiritines' beliefs, is due to their association with the Adaptus Mechanicus and the advancement of the doctrines of the Machine Cult. Despite the popular assertion, few Autospiritines are actually members of the Mechanicus (and fewer still, as they are often accused, work against the Inquisition for them), but mostly are lay adherents who came to respect or revere the teachings of Mars during their time as acolytes or in the uncommon instances of cooperation over conflict between the Inquisition and the Mechanicus. More traditional tech-priests spurn the adoration of the Autospiritines, but they are nothing if not versed in interaction with machine cultists, and more often than not can overcome the long-standing barriers between the two groups, at least on the Mechanicus' side.

It should come as no surprise then, that the primary belief of the Autospiritines is advancing the Quest for Knowledge through ceaseless search for the holy grail of all technologies: The Standard Template Constructor. This, they claim, is the Omniessiah's promised salvation for humanity, and that once they discover it all the enemies of the Imperium will be swept away. Further, Autospiritine Inquisitors seek mysteries and truth through the holy knowledge of the machine spirits. Many of mankind's more venerable machines have seen millennia of knowledge and history pass by their immortal circuitry, and accessing this knowledge can be a tool of incredible power. Many who associate with these Inquisitors note that their possessions often seem almost protective of them; telling stories of impossible bolter shots and ship machinery butchering boarding parties.

Autospiritines are a notably anti-resurrection group within the Inquisition. It is their belief that the Emperor's ascension is not something to be interfered with, and that he embodies an ethereal form intentionally. Some Autospiritines take an eschatological position that the Emperor will return in his true form, as a fusion of man and machine, only when the Imperium finds a complete STC. It should be noted that the Autospiritines are perhaps some of the only people in the entire Imperium who do not just grudgingly accept, but actively support the doctrine of the Emperor-as-Omniessiah.

In the present, the Autospiritines try to lessen the rift between the Imperium proper and the Mechanicus (a task for which they receive rare direct support from the Amalathians) on the basis that this will strengthen humankind. Their most common projects are to achieve interplay between the Imperial Guard and the Skitarii, as an example of the power they can wield when not in conflict. This ties back to their belief in the weakness of flesh, and though not quite as extreme as that espoused by the Magi, it is still a frequent event for an Autospiritine to reject rejuvenat treatment and non-cybernetic healing in favor of machine replacement long before other Inquisitors.



And there you have it, Mechanicus Inquisitors.
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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion thread: Disorder Vacuum Seamen.
« Reply #1968 on: November 05, 2015, 02:52:32 pm »

Ehm, thats some nicely written, but 300 % weird stuff, you have there.

By the way...Are there any mechanicus cultists focused on emperor worship/ combining miracles of the emperor with machines/ etc?
Are there any working miracles of faith in emperor? Or emperor worship has no real benefits?
From what I know.The only benefit seems to have some awesome  quote for every moment in your life. No matter if it is glorius victory or being overrun by space bugs. There is always some  saying  to make you sound badass.
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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion thread: Disorder Vacuum Seamen.
« Reply #1969 on: November 05, 2015, 03:01:27 pm »

There have been examples of people in the Imperium "powered by faith." They usually get made into Saints. There is some element of "Emperor Magic" at play in the universe, where he speaks to people, they channel some of his power, etc... But the occurrences are fairly rare.

I don't know of many or any examples of Mechanicus adepts putting the Emperor on an equal footing with the Emperor. While they say they honor the Emperor in his guise of the Omnissiah, in truth that's a platitude they say to keep Imperium off their back.
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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion thread: Disorder Vacuum Seamen.
« Reply #1970 on: November 05, 2015, 03:16:50 pm »

"... Now unified under the Cult Mechanicus, the Priesthood of Mars began to dispatch Explorator Fleets across the galaxy and even plundered the surface of war-torn Terra itself in hopes of discovering lost technologies. Facing resistance to their quest on the planet's surface, the Adeptus Mechanicus soon became bitter enemies with the Techno-barbarians which plagued Terra and thus welcomed the eventual arrival of the Emperor...

... After the Emperor formed the Imperium, he engendered support with the Martian Mechanicum, an already existing empire. On Mars, he was commonly seen as the Omnissiah, the earthly representative of the Machine God, due to his ability to seemingly instantly repair machinery with a mere touch. After landing in a golden ship on Mars' surface The Emperor came before the Mechanicum Parliament on Mars, pledging that in return for supply arms to his armies and building a mighty war fleet, the Emperor would protect and the respect the sovereignty of the Mechanicum's Forge Worlds. In addition, he would donate six Navigator Houses to Mars, whose supply of Navigator's had since dwindled. Given such incentives the Martian Parliament and Fabricator-General agreed to the terms, and the formal alliance between the Adeptus Mechanicus and Imperium was signed on Terra between the Martian Ambassador and the Emperor."

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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion thread: Disorder Vacuum Seamen.
« Reply #1971 on: November 05, 2015, 04:03:40 pm »

There have been examples of people in the Imperium "powered by faith." They usually get made into Saints. There is some element of "Emperor Magic" at play in the universe, where he speaks to people, they channel some of his power, etc... But the occurrences are fairly rare.
The acts of faith are pretty damn common for Sisters Of Battle (he proably just gives to their demands because all the damn fucking prayers are making his head hurt). The Crux Terminatus is said to include an tiny piece of Big E armour in each one which sometimes also does magic. The fact that Emperor doesn't have power/time (he is pretty busy not allowing Deamons to fuck over Terra, also keeping up that damn space lighthouse, battling with Chaos Gods all the time and such) to support every man at once doesn't mean he doesn't do that. It actually explains the unbeliveable survival rate of important characters, they're so "visible" that Big E protects them from minor bullshit that could kill them.
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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion thread: Disorder Vacuum Seamen.
« Reply #1972 on: November 05, 2015, 04:16:06 pm »

Not sure what we count as acts of faith. I know in the HH people have like, burst into holy fire, shrugged off bullets wearing no armor and other stuff. I'm not up on my SoB, so I don't know if that describes their acts of faith or not.
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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion thread: Disorder Vacuum Seamen.
« Reply #1973 on: November 05, 2015, 05:33:34 pm »

Ehm, thats some nicely written, but 300 % weird stuff, you have there.
How's it weird?
There have been examples of people in the Imperium "powered by faith." They usually get made into Saints. There is some element of "Emperor Magic" at play in the universe, where he speaks to people, they channel some of his power, etc... But the occurrences are fairly rare.
I've always seen Living Saints as essentially being the Emperor's equivalent to Greater Daemons.
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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion thread: Disorder Vacuum Seamen.
« Reply #1974 on: November 05, 2015, 07:03:50 pm »

Well, Big E could almost be considered a chaos god himself by some standards.
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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion thread: Disorder Vacuum Seamen.
« Reply #1975 on: November 05, 2015, 07:05:16 pm »

Well, Big E could almost be considered a chaos god himself by some standards.
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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion thread: Disorder Vacuum Seamen.
« Reply #1976 on: November 05, 2015, 07:07:16 pm »

It's not that an unusual interpretation, the Emperor is almost entirely relegated to warp presence and is constantly fed by the devotion of a quadrillion humans.
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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion thread: Disorder Vacuum Seamen.
« Reply #1977 on: November 05, 2015, 07:12:06 pm »

More a god of order than chaos, perhaps, but certainly a god.
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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion thread: Disorder Vacuum Seamen.
« Reply #1978 on: November 05, 2015, 07:12:53 pm »

All gods are chaos gods. The Emperor is merely the Chaos God of Order.
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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion thread: Disorder Vacuum Seamen.
« Reply #1979 on: November 05, 2015, 07:13:46 pm »

All gods are chaos gods. The Emperor is merely the Chaos God of Order.
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