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It should be less than that

7 (17.1%)

Total Members Voted: 41

[AoshimaMichio]

Shias the Druid"Well then. Council chamber has been created. What is be the matter this council will discuss about?"

Placeholder action: Make 5 essences.

[Sarrak]

"I think it would be the present and the future... As well as giving the potential deathmatch we all came along for a much less violent vibe."

[H4zardZ1]

"Seems i need to add another chair, just in case, but i still need to prepare something other."

4 Electric Essences.

((You forgot my turn.))

4 Electric Essences. Again.

[Crimson]

Try to enhance my force shield with animate (-2). One force essence after.

[FallacyofUrist]

((Considering this game's slow update time, I've decided to try to play it again, despite my life's circumstances. Posting enough to play this game shouldn't be too hard.))

((Good to see you again!))

((Thank you.))

Old King Coal stopped to catch his breath.

"What is this place? It's as though someone spliced several bubble universes together!"

Old King Coal sighed as he realized that he was extremely lacking in essences.

"It's been so long since I've had to cast under pressure..."

Old King Coal takes a cursory look around and makes 3 Bone essences.

[DreamerGhost]

You forgot my ring of +1 luck. The bush trimmer should be a chainsaw.

((You are doing too well anyways. But fix'd))

"Seems i need to add another chair, just in case, but i still need to prepare something other."

4 Electric Essences.

((You forgot my turn.))

4 Electric Essences. Again.

((Sorry about that. Added))

[BlitzDungeoneer]

Mmmm.
3 more essences, I guess.

[Atomic Chicken]

"Hey, you seem to have forgotten your...oh, he's gone. No matter, this may prove useful."

Pocket Xom's paradoxically ten-cornered cube and set off in search of the fortress library.
PM sent.
Create 4 essences.

[fillipk]

"So are we starting this council or what?"

Make my way to my oak chair, and then craft 4 essences

[Trewque]

"Hmm... Now that I'm here, might as well have a seat."

Summon a chair. Then check whether it's safe to sit in. If it is safe, sit in it and join the council meeting.

[ATHATH]

Guys, I think I found an infinite loop.

Say, through extensive buffs or innately, you have a +7/+7 bonus to comp and pot. You create an essence, which is guaranteed to give at least a +3/+3 bonus. You use that essence to make another essence. The new essence has a bonus of +7+3-1/+7+3-1, making it guaranteed to be at least a +4/+4 essence. You use that essence to make another essence, and the process repeats potentially infinitely, eventually giving you a +nigh-infinity/+nigh-infinity essence. Next turn, you can use this essence to obliterate reality, ascend to godhood, become GM, whatever. The important point of this combo is that anyone with an affinity with access to the ability to cast in conditions that bring their pot and comp modifiers up to +7/+7, even just for one turn, and can remain unmolested for two turns (with one of them being the turn that they create the uber-essence) in a row can pull this combo off.

I propose a single rule to fix this issue with the current system:

An essence may not be used to power a spell in the turn it was created in.

That one rule causes this combo to take a nigh-infinite number of turns to complete and removes other bugs that DG might not be able to catch before they're a problem.

Should we vote to put this new rule into effect?

[thegamemaster1234]

Guys, I think I found an infinite loop.

Say, through extensive buffs or innately, you have a +7/+7 bonus to comp and pot. You create an essence, which is guaranteed to give at least a +3/+3 bonus. You use that essence to make another essence. The new essence has a bonus of +7+3-1/+7+3-1, making it guaranteed to be at least a +4/+4 essence. You use that essence to make another essence, and the process repeats potentially infinitely, eventually giving you a +nigh-infinity/+nigh-infinity essence. Next turn, you can use this essence to obliterate reality, ascend to godhood, become GM, whatever. The important point of this combo is that anyone with an affinity with access to the ability to cast in conditions that bring their pot and comp modifiers up to +7/+7, even just for one turn, and can remain unmolested for two turns (with one of them being the turn that they create the uber-essence) in a row can pull this combo off.

I propose a single rule to fix this issue with the current system:

An essence may not be used to power a spell in the turn it was created in.

That one rule causes this combo to take a nigh-infinite number of turns to complete and removes other bugs that DG might not be able to catch before they're a problem.

Should we vote to put this new rule into effect?

I think a much better rule would be that you can't use essences to make essences. I don't even know if that's possible now, though; nobody's had a reason to try. Also, essences do take time to create - albeit small, this time would prevent someone from getting a +10k/+10k essence and breaking the space-time continuum within the space of only two turns, if this combo was possible.

[NAV]

Even without any rule changes ATHATH's plan probably wouldn't work. 1/6 of the essences made would be a chaos essences which would cause a luck roll. A bad luck roll would break the chain.

There's also the rule that essences can't entirely save you from a bad roll. A natural 1 will still have some bad effects even if 1000 essences are used.

[Beirus]

((I could have sworn somewhere that DG said you need at least +10/+10 for a +3/+3 essence, and like +15/+15 for a +4/+4, or some sort of exponential growth thing. The other thing is that there is a cumulative -1/-1 malus for each consecutive cast. It would relatively quickly grow larger than any bonus you could hope to sustain from making essences. At worst, people with larger innate bonuses to CMP/POT would just be able to make essences in larger batches.))

[ATHATH]

Guys, I think I found an infinite loop.

Say, through extensive buffs or innately, you have a +7/+7 bonus to comp and pot. You create an essence, which is guaranteed to give at least a +3/+3 bonus. You use that essence to make another essence. The new essence has a bonus of +7+3-1/+7+3-1, making it guaranteed to be at least a +4/+4 essence. You use that essence to make another essence, and the process repeats potentially infinitely, eventually giving you a +nigh-infinity/+nigh-infinity essence. Next turn, you can use this essence to obliterate reality, ascend to godhood, become GM, whatever. The important point of this combo is that anyone with an affinity with access to the ability to cast in conditions that bring their pot and comp modifiers up to +7/+7, even just for one turn, and can remain unmolested for two turns (with one of them being the turn that they create the uber-essence) in a row can pull this combo off.

I propose a single rule to fix this issue with the current system:

An essence may not be used to power a spell in the turn it was created in.

That one rule causes this combo to take a nigh-infinite number of turns to complete and removes other bugs that DG might not be able to catch before they're a problem.

Should we vote to put this new rule into effect?

I think a much better rule would be that you can't use essences to make essences. I don't even know if that's possible now, though; nobody's had a reason to try. Also, essences do take time to create - albeit small, this time would prevent someone from getting a +10k/+10k essence and breaking the space-time continuum within the space of only two turns, if this combo was possible.

I have already considered the patch you recommended, and still believe mine is better, due to your patch severely nerfing an item that I will find in my pm adventures. Plus, your patch doesn't stop someone from making a +2/+2 essence and using it on a spell that is cast immediately after the essence is created, thus gaining a net +1/+1 bonus for that spell.