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[Nicolai]

Hi,
I'm trying to get rid of my refuse, without any miasma, very far below the surface.
I've been looking a bit at this quantum method, but I can't seem to make it work.

Here's the setup I've tried:

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rrr     r = refuse pile
 S      S = track stop
 P      P = Open space with magma below

I have then made a haul route, assigned a minecart and it to take from the stockpile, and dump south.
But, nothing gets moved from the stockpile.

Any clues as to what I can be doing wrong?

[Gigaz]

You must set up a route in the (h) menu. I'm not sure if your setup can work at all, I think you'll need a start point and an end point.

[sal880612m]

Did you set the desired items for the stop? At the stop condition screen where you set up stockpile links if you hit enter you will get a screen similar to the custom stockpile one and you need to select all the options you want the stop to deal with. Otherwise they will just sit there in the stockpile.

A track stop alone should be enough.

[Nicolai]

Did you set the desired items for the stop? At the stop condition screen where you set up stockpile links if you hit enter you will get a screen similar to the custom stockpile one and you need to select all the options you want the stop to deal with. Otherwise they will just sit there in the stockpile.

A track stop alone should be enough.

Hi,
I went in and enabled all refuse in the desired items.

Does it require a hauler or something, to operate the minecart, or should it magically go from one pile to the other?

[nomoetoe]

I use a bridge and a garbage dump zone thing. just a pull of the lever and all those annoying useless items cease to exist.
Could also be used for getting rid of unwanted immigrants and nobles.

though what your trying to does seem better since in involves magma. c:

[sal880612m]

Hello.

No magic involved, you do need to have someone with the appropriate labors enabled. I think in this case it would be refuse hauling and push/haul vehicles. It occurred to me that you may not have the cart set to go anywhere. Is all you have on the stop condition screen Take from stockpile? If so you need to set a condition to guide the cart south immediately when full of desired items as well. Otherwise the items will just sit in the cart and it will fill up then your feeder pile will fill up.

[fricy]

If so you need to set a condition to guide the cart south immediately when full of desired items as well. Otherwise the items will just sit in the cart and it will fill up then your feeder pile will fill up.

Nope, that's what the dumping track stop is for.

[sal880612m]

... Yeah I had a moment there. I generally set up QSP with two stockpile links one take, one give but I figured since it was lacking a give condition it may need to be guided otherwise it wouldn't dump. Still makes sense to me actually I will test some things and see how they work out and come back.

Edit: Confirmed you don't need to guide it to be dumped with the proper setup. So if you have any other conditions besides take from stockpile that could be causing issues and if you get rid of them any time a dwarf puts something in the minecart it will get dumped.

[Nicolai]

I think I have it set up exactly as you guys mention, yet nothing happens.
It shouldn't be a problem, if my dump tile is not a stockpile, should it?
I just want an open hole, into the magma. I've tried with just a hole but also with a pit zone put on it. No luck so far

[sal880612m]

Edit: A pit zone wouldn't help. You only need a dump stockpile to prevent from getting a loop of dwarves putting the items in the stockpile, then dumping them and putting them back in the stockpile. As your goal is to destroy the items your dump tile not being a stockpile should have no effect.

I set mine up essentially the exact same way. What isn't working and exactly how isn't it working?

Are your dwarves not putting stuff in your stockpile?
Are they not putting them in the minecart?
Are they not dumping the minecart?
You said refuse did you mean butchery byproducts and corpse or simply unwanted items?
If butchery byproducts could any of it be considered to be outside?
If unwanted items have you set the items in the refuse section of the desired items menu or in their proper sections?

Edit2: Is it your stop you have set to dump south? or your track stop? If it is the former than try deconstruction and rebuilding your track stop. it should look like this:

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[greycat]

Dwarves must move the items from the large stockpile to the minecart.  This is a "Place item in vehicle" job, if I remember the wording correctly.  When they place the items in the minecart, the minecart will automatically move them to the dump-tile.

Since this is refuse, make sure "Dwarves gather refuse" is enabled in the global options.  And of course make sure they can path to the big stockpile and the minecart.  And that they aren't forbidden to go there by a burrow.

[Xob Ludosmbax]

I wanted to point out that you must make sure the magma is not directly below, but rather 2 levels below.  Otherwise you get magma mist and !!FUN!! whenever a larger item gets dumped.  Also, stairs do not work.  And if you are in a reanimating biome, it is possible for something to come back to life between the time it's dumped and the time it burns up, and zombies catch fire, but do not burn up, so you may need to account for that in your design.

But otherwise, the steps are:

Create stockpile (Is the stockpile being filled with refuse?)
Create dump stop
Create route on top of dump stop
Assign minecart to route (Is there a minecart on top of the stop?)
Set route to take all refuse from stockpile and to dump immediately (Is the minecart filled with refuse?)

[fricy]

I think I have it set up exactly as you guys mention, yet nothing happens.
It shouldn't be a problem, if my dump tile is not a stockpile, should it?
I just want an open hole, into the magma. I've tried with just a hole but also with a pit zone put on it. No luck so far

One thing I can think of is to double check the hauling menu if the input stockpile is correctly selected and connected to the route. Does it say the name/number of the stockpile in the menu?

[GavJ]

This should work if you set up your route correctly, but it's not a good idea for FPS and item dumping to pour it all into magma.

Lots of things don't get destroyed at magma temperatures, or take a very long time (during which their damage and temp tracking slows your game). There's also reason to believe that magma destruction may not be as thorough as other methods of destruction in DF memory structures. From science threads in the past, the best method for lowest impact on FPS is atom smashing with a bridge. Which you can also do with minecart quantum stockpiles. But also just regular old refuse zones... (simply put the zone and the bridge that smashes over it in a small room with a door, wait till its empty of dwarves, and lock the door before you have the bridge smash to avoid any casualties, then unlock. Very little effort for something you do once a year or so.)

[wierd]

Indeed. The lockable atom smashing chamber also works great for eliminating the feline menace. While you cant butcher cats that have latched onto dwarven minds, you CAN pen/pasture them into the tiny room, then pull the lever.  If nobody sees the cat die, it goes into quantum superposition, and the dwarf involved will never get the bad thought.  Works wonderfully.

Whole heartedly endorse having an atom smasher in the fortress.