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Author Topic: Rise of the Magic Girls v3 OOC: Stealing combat systems from an eroge  (Read 524453 times)

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Re: Rise of the Magic Girls v3 OOC: More characters for the character throne!
« Reply #4530 on: August 08, 2014, 05:37:04 pm »

So isn't it basically just Russian Roulette with five barrels loaded with bullets and the sixth one loaded with a mostly-not-functional-but-can-still-go-off bullet?

Since it's a damage race between a PC and the thing designed specifically to counter them.
See, this is basically what I figure boss fights aren't supposed to be. Making it all about stats is, to be frank, stupid, boring, and rage-inducing.

Speaking of stats, I did some calculations; Defense and Resistance are nearly useless as it is now. Yep. It's far better to put those stat points into, say, Health. Why?

Well, I did some stat calculations. The difference in damage taken on average between someone with 5 Defense and someone with 6 Defense(and the difference increases the smaller the two numbers, and decreases the larger the two numbers) is 1/9 of a point of damage(if fighting someone with 5 Strength). Meaning it would take 27 attacks for it to be on par with a point of health(36, if you have a Health=4 HP perk). Mull on that a second. Oh, but wait! It's even more pointless, because it doesn't affect magic attacks. More or less the same thing can be said of resistance, save that assuming they're using Medium abilities (and thus 5 Magic translates to a d10), the difference is instead about 1/3. Meaning it takes nine attacks for it to be even sorta on par, or 12 with the perk.

So...yeah. The stat system is fucked up.

On another note, ragnarok's character should be good to go with one stipulation.

If she can do, in one turn, using up 8 mana, what it takes Leth six+ turns to accomplish while using up over 20? There's something seriously wrong with her abilities.
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Re: Rise of the Magic Girls v3 OOC: More characters for the character throne!
« Reply #4531 on: August 08, 2014, 05:38:20 pm »

Wait, what is Void (the entity) doing right now, anyways?
Waiting for Rag to RP him. Or standing by because he can't participate in any plots.

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Re: Rise of the Magic Girls v3 OOC: More characters for the character throne!
« Reply #4532 on: August 08, 2014, 07:08:26 pm »

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I have double-checked your results with computer analysis and the outcome is actually less clear-cut than that. It's a bit hard to explain, but splitting your points equally between HP and Defence is best if you put 1.5~2 more points into them than your opponent puts into Offence. Of course resistance and magic damage is still a thing, so... yeah. Making a giant blob of HP is generally the best way to create a tough character.

As for fixing things... I can see three options working:

  • Combine Endurance and Resistance into one stat. Pretty obvious and simple. It makes characters who want to focus on defense more tanky by reducing the amount of points they have to spend. Or giving them more tankiness for each point. And everyone else doesn't care, since they'll be spending the extra points in other stats. Except that removes the magical/physical split that we have going on, and I doubt we want that.
  • Give more sturdiness for each point. Basically, each stat point gives you more than one point of Defense and Resistance, say 1.2. Or 1.5. Or whatever. That way it makes tanks more sturdier overall, since it takes less points to overcome your opponent's offense and reach the sweet spot where HP and Defense are equally valuable. As a side effect everyone else will be able to take more hits too, but that's not too much of a problem.
  • Make Defense more constant. By more constant, I mean that you always reduce incoming damage by a minimum amount. What this amount should be and how we'll find it I have no idea, we'll have to do a lot of playtesting to find it. But it'll make damage more even and less random, which is a good thing. It also means that lots of weak attacks will do less damage on average, which is a bad thing for mooks and attack spammers, but not the end of the world. Mind you, with this method it'd also be impossible to damage people with extremely high Defense, which is something to consider.
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Re: Rise of the Magic Girls v3 OOC: More characters for the character throne!
« Reply #4533 on: August 08, 2014, 07:12:50 pm »

I'm ready to do youkai stuff b the way.
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Re: Rise of the Magic Girls v3 OOC: More characters for the character throne!
« Reply #4534 on: August 08, 2014, 07:13:34 pm »

As am I. How shall we begin?
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Re: Rise of the Magic Girls v3 OOC: More characters for the character throne!
« Reply #4535 on: August 08, 2014, 07:16:29 pm »

Made a mechanics thread. Redirect all that sort of stuff into there.
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« Reply #4536 on: August 08, 2014, 07:20:26 pm »

You screwed up the link.
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Re: Rise of the Magic Girls v3 OOC: More characters for the character throne!
« Reply #4537 on: August 08, 2014, 07:23:33 pm »

As am I. How shall we begin?
I suppose a list of what's needed would be a good starting point.
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Re: Rise of the Magic Girls v3 OOC: More characters for the character throne!
« Reply #4538 on: August 08, 2014, 07:25:36 pm »

Well...
  • Who/What are Youkai.
  • What did they do before they fled.
  • Why did they flee.
  • Where they they flee.
  • When did they flee.
  • What have they been doing since they fled.
Does that work?
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Re: Rise of the Magic Girls v3 OOC: More characters for the character throne!
« Reply #4539 on: August 08, 2014, 07:27:11 pm »

First two are answered by folklore.

So we can cross them off.
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« Reply #4540 on: August 08, 2014, 07:29:15 pm »

Jeez, KJ, at least cite your sources.

Also:

* Twi has claimed a Google Document! (also USEC)

Twi has began a mysterious construction!
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« Reply #4541 on: August 08, 2014, 07:34:09 pm »

...

I don't really know about the first two though. Or at least not how they factor into RotMG and not Japanese mythology.
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« Reply #4542 on: August 08, 2014, 07:40:43 pm »

...

I don't really know about the first two though. Or at least not how they factor into RotMG and not Japanese mythology.

Presumably the same way. It is meant to be an 'all things are true' scenario, yes?

After all, even the concept of Void and Creation is true and is not true at the same time. Paradoxes make the world go round.
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« Reply #4543 on: August 08, 2014, 07:57:00 pm »

no idea what power to give nazi-chan, so far my ideas: frigokinesis, photokinesis, magnetism, or just straight up telekinesis, possibly tied into going full wartime research into the paranormal esper stuff, you know, telekinesis, mind-reading, leaving your own body to scout and possibly possess stuff, etc
How about having them partially resemble Werner Forssmann in ability (absurd sleight of hand) or personality. Forssmann was indeed a member of the Nazi party, though his more notable contribution was developing the procedure for cardiac catheterization.

He did this by getting a nurse who volunteered to be the test subject (he needed her to acquire the equipment), strapping her to the operating table, applying the anesthetic and then pretending to cut her when he actually made an incision in his own arm and jammed the damn thing into his own heart (which was thought to have been probably lethal at the time). The nurse didn't actually realize she had been tricked until the fucking catheter was in Forssmann's heart. He proceeded to unstrap her and walk all the way to the X-Ray department to finish the procedure and show everyone the fruits of his work.
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Re: Rise of the Magic Girls v3 OOC: More characters for the character throne!
« Reply #4544 on: August 08, 2014, 08:14:49 pm »

Yes, all the stuff about youkai are true up until they went into hiding. Then we start writing.
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