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Re: Rise of the Magic Girls v3 OOC: My Shame is Eternal
« Reply #4110 on: August 03, 2014, 03:01:31 am »

The secret boss is the equivalent of Laplace's demon.
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« Reply #4111 on: August 03, 2014, 03:04:29 am »

I hope that Kyle knows about the underlying physics principles behind his laser not just the engineering ones or that one of the characters who regularly conversed with Cyrielle picked some quantum mechanics off of her.

Because Heisenberg is going to wreck its shit.
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« Reply #4112 on: August 03, 2014, 04:26:00 am »

Yeah, magic attack multipliers need a nerf. I mean, a *2 attack for 4 mana? Shit's crazy. I think multiplies should be shifted down a tier, so:

Negligible: 0.5 ((the price you pay for free magics))
Small: 1
Medium: 1.5
Large: 2
etc.


I propose something more along the lines of how I scaled Icarus ability, percentage bonus based. It greatly decreases damage variance (no more just 5 damage for a huge blast), without outright boosting the possible damage into one-shot territory for little cost.
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« Reply #4113 on: August 03, 2014, 04:31:49 am »

I'll do that once I'm done working on this bloody heat transfer assignment. Not having fun.
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« Reply #4114 on: August 03, 2014, 04:32:23 am »

I concur with Akroma, having already multipliers for magic could get rather ridiculous. Plus it does bring Physical and Supernatural combat styles to an equilibrium: Physical can enhance itself without limit at the cost of exposing itself to risk or drawbacks, comparatively, Supernatural can enhance itself with no penalty at the cost of having a limited pool to fuel those enhancements.
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« Reply #4115 on: August 03, 2014, 04:37:50 am »

well, I do note that physical stuff can not simply enhance itself. That is literaly Icarus ability. If everyone else also gets to do it, I'd be annoyed

I do point out btw, armor was never meant to be on the same scaling as weaponry. +5 was literaly the hard limit, coming at penalties on speed and skill. It should always be lower than weapon damage.
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« Reply #4116 on: August 03, 2014, 04:43:10 am »

Very few of the physical attackers have abilities which actually boost their attack strength, like we saw with Icarus's rocket smashing:

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Icarus [5] boosts her skill and strength by +25% (-4 mana), and ignites her jetboots on full throttle, accelerating to incredible speeds. She shoots toward a construct in what can only be described as rocket powered jousting! [16] VS [4] smashing it, dealing [20*1.5+4!] VS [9], dealing 25 damage, and receiving [6] VS [3] 3 recoil damage! 36 health remaining.

That is probably the highest amount of physical damage ever done so far. Do more of these special attacks!


which is odd btw, seeing how Icarus does not have 20 in strength but 15. remember, the overdrive is not increasing the stat, but adding a bonus on top of it.
so it becomes [d15 +4 (weapon) +8 (overdrive)]*factor
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« Reply #4117 on: August 03, 2014, 04:45:47 am »

Ohhh. I keep getting mixed up between stat multipliers and roll boosts >.<

Then again, that thing has 105 health.
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Re: Rise of the Magic Girls v3 OOC: My Shame is Eternal
« Reply #4118 on: August 03, 2014, 05:01:02 am »

I tend to write longer posts since I dislike how people just outright describe their character's feelings and crap rather than their expression and body language. I can easily type up short posts and study at the same time, but if I want to actually make a proper IC post, then I'd be using a thesaurus, a mirror and a set of character notes.



also please not this is not a continuation of the arguement, but a serious note:


null is a velociraptor skeleton made of spatial distortions, and it's voice is more or less the area around it vibrating. It has no body language, facial expression or undertone in it's voice, at least none that any character or PC would be able to even notice as such. I am not sure your concern is valid. If you want a character with proper emotional roleplay, maaaybe something less outlandish would be better suited.
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« Reply #4119 on: August 03, 2014, 05:49:57 am »

well, I do note that physical stuff can not simply enhance itself. That is literaly Icarus ability. If everyone else also gets to do it, I'd be annoyed
I meant that in terms of something like high velocity attack at the cost of recoil damage, or double shot at the cost of accuracy and damage penalties.

I tend to write longer posts since I dislike how people just outright describe their character's feelings and crap rather than their expression and body language. I can easily type up short posts and study at the same time, but if I want to actually make a proper IC post, then I'd be using a thesaurus, a mirror and a set of character notes.



also please not this is not a continuation of the arguement, but a serious note:


null is a velociraptor skeleton made of spatial distortions, and it's voice is more or less the area around it vibrating. It has no body language, facial expression or undertone in it's voice, at least none that any character or PC would be able to even notice as such. I am not sure your concern is valid. If you want a character with proper emotional roleplay, maaaybe something less outlandish would be better suited.
I work better with outlandish. I have PM'd you the details.

Also, as I've learned from one of Xantalo's characters, you do not need a face, nor a voice to be emotive. Also it has body language. It's a velociraptor, not a rock :P

Also, it doesn't use vibrations, it uses background noise.
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« Reply #4120 on: August 03, 2014, 06:41:44 am »

Since I've received a couple few a lot of complaints about the amount of arguing going on here, and as we are ever in fear awe of the great provider, the Toady One, just PM me directly to resolve any complaints you may have. Less clutter in thread, less whining, and generally a less pissy mood.
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Re: Rise of the Magic Girls v3 OOC: My Shame is Eternal
« Reply #4121 on: August 03, 2014, 08:52:17 am »

Average chances to hit? Well, that depends.

Huh. I thought I posted the formula for finding the percent chance of succeeding on these types of rolls already. Apparently not. Guess I might as well do it now.

Formula:

Let x be the lower number and y the higher one. And let P(a, b) be the chance of a roll a beating a roll b. Then,

P(x, y) = (x - 1)/2y
P(y, x) = (y - x)/y + P(x, y) = (y - x)/y + (x - 1)/2y

Okay, so that's probably not the formal way of writing it out. But it does seem to work for all of the examples I've tried. So baring some edge cases it should be fine.

Also, Cado is back! Awesome!
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« Reply #4122 on: August 03, 2014, 08:57:22 am »

that's what I used too
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« Reply #4123 on: August 03, 2014, 09:14:23 am »

Welcome back Cado
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« Reply #4124 on: August 03, 2014, 09:24:57 am »

actions still missing:


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