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[Akroma]

I agree, it encourages munchkining. Putting points into the next-closest stat, just for the perks sake. Soon, everyone will just have 20 in all stats

[Sanure]

Restating wouldn't be necessary as the current stats work out as planned.

As for the Milestones, if set at 20, then it would be around level 5-6 that perks would start being awarded. This would mean  Sen would need around 14 level ups to get 8 perks, while icarus would need around 11 to get 8 perks. Alice (so I have a median level amount to work with) would need 13 levels to gain 7 perks, (While gaining a perk from her 22 MAG ). this gives a mean of 12 levels needed per person to gain 8 perks.

Also, As for higher tier perks, Have the perks increase in strength along with level? so a perk gained at level 5 would not be as strong as the perk gained at level 20 or something. I did say this is just an Idea it isn't going to be perfect. Also, the Milestone could be set higher or lower as needed by the GM.

Oh, speaking of Level dependent perks, Why not have waiting for the perk a better reward? The perk is based on the level you gained it at. So a level 5 perk may be good, but ti's level 7 form is even better. Also, Perks should be geared towards the person, So While Sen may want something to boost her Magic Damage, Alice may want to boost her Healing strength. so Sen's MAG perk would be different than Alice's MAg perk and further evolve the roles the are.

As for the put the points into the nearest soon to be perk stat, It depends on if a stat is suffering or not. I definitely wouldn't get the Mag perk right away if Sen's DEF and RES stat is going to get her killed. I would put the four points into those two stats and wait for a level or three so the perk isn't wasted.

[Sanure]

As An Example:

Sen is 2 stat point saway from a MAG perk. At level 5 she can take the perk by slotting in two of her Stat points to gain [+5% Mag damage]. THe Perk is level 5 and will not increase. If she had waited for say level 8 before taking the perk, it would have been [+10% MAG Damage].


Though I'm not certain how to discourage getting all of your stat points so you can just level all stats to 19 and then take two turns to get perks :/ Maybe have a timer on getting the perk before the perk is lost? Like say at Level 10 any stats ready to perk do not gain the perk. So If Sen waits until level 11 to get her MAG perk, She has waited to long and needs to reach MAG 40 before she can take a perk?

[Akroma]

I am not a fan

[Sanure]

Well, as I said it's just an idea.

[USEC_OFFICER]

Which would just add increased complexity and slow down the rate of perk gain even more, both of which are pretty undesirable. I think that our current perk system is fine as it is.

[Sanure]

It seems pretty simple to me though:

Stat 20 gain perk.

Stat ready to perk? take perk.

wait to long to perk? Lose perk. (Or other idea to discourage maxing stats before perks.)

Want stronger perk? Chance to lose perk, stats slightly stronger for waiting.

[Akroma]

vs lvl dividable by 5? gain perk

[Sanure]

True lol, current rule is atleast 3 lines shorter than stat 20? perk idea XD

The only problem is either more stat points is needed to keep up with Big Bad tier enemies, or more perks are needed to diversify characters and-

And I have an Idea that I need to research on. Be back soon~

[Sanure]

Okay, So say we keep the normal perk system and add in the idea perk system as a support. You still gain a perk every 5 levels. This is your Awesome perk. But at each Stat Milestone you gain a less awesome, more level based utility perk. These should be those yeah my [STAT] is at [Stat/20] and I got X amount more damage now, but it isn't as awesome like my Level 5 perk that lets me attack 3 enemies in one turn kind of perks. good to have, but doesn't make much difference.

So At level 5 Sen gains the Perk [Multi-cast]. This lets her cast two spells in one turn. Pretty sweet.
At level 6 she gets a MAG based perk that grants her +5 MAG damage to her magic attacks. Nice, but isn't as awesome as her level 5 perk.

This way we get stronger people, don't have to worry about Min-maxing due to the milestone perks being okay, and people still get their awesome perks at each fifth level.

Sound better or worse than the original idea?

((Note: The perk I listed in the example may not exist. Useful, but isn't my first choice on possible perks for a demon whose main attacks are paper based~))

[Projeck37]

I like it, I suppose.

[Akroma]

eh, do we really need perks coming in nonstop? I mean literaly: level 6, Icarus puts 2 in health, and 2 in speed, milestone reached on health, gets perk, level 7, 2 in speed, 2 in skill, milestone for speed, perk gained, level 8, 2 in skill, 2 in strength, milestone gained for skill, perk gained, level 9 2 in strength, 2 in mana, milestone for strengthm perk gained, level 10, 4 in mana, perk gained for level, level 11, 2 in mana, 2 in def, milestone reached, mana perk.

this only breaks at level 12, and I think similar things may happen for other characters. It's ridiculous.

[USEC_OFFICER]

Not really. Though whether one perk every five levels is the best rate to gain them is probably up to debate. We just picked 5 because it's a nice number for that sort of thing.

[Sanure]

My reasoning is this:

If we keep just gaining 4 stat points per level up and one perk for every 5 levels then at level 10 you would have two new perks and 136 stat points spread among 8 stats or 17 points in each stat. That's well and good, but leaves the party at a disadvantage. My plot has enemies in the level 15 range and a final boss at level 30. In a normal RPG (not calling this normal) that team of level 10s would struggle on the 15s and die facing the 30. Throw in the fact that my plot will actively seperate the party into two person teams, it can really screw characters over. Our current setup has a Large part means weaker people survive. We had that in the last version as well. With the addon system even the weaker people can have good perks that can help them stand on their own without a team. that is 10 perks every 14 levels ( i went back and looked. If Icarus was level 4, she would need 14 levels to get 8 perks) if we set the Milestone at 20. We could set it at 25 or 30 and delay extra perks even more.

[kj1225]

I just think we should improve the number of points per level.