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Author Topic: Rise of the Magic Girls v3 OOC: Stealing combat systems from an eroge  (Read 524234 times)

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Re: Rise of the Magic Girls v3 OOC: More characters for the character throne!
« Reply #4545 on: August 08, 2014, 08:16:23 pm »

Well... Let's start writing then.
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« Reply #4546 on: August 08, 2014, 08:45:44 pm »

I dunno how to buff defence. Problem is, if def and res become one stat, then damage needs a buff too, as the defensive stat will usualy be higher than the damage stat. That might be done by buffing weapon-bonuses, which would serve as a slight balancing factor towards magic, that even if rescaled to Icarus standard will usualy do more damage than a weapon would.


Someone please do some calculations, I am rather busy for the time being.




another problem, the split was meant to make bosses more profilic, give them clear defences and weaknesses etc. Now with this, every boss would be tanky, always
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« Reply #4547 on: August 08, 2014, 08:52:34 pm »

Like I said, I doubt that we are just going to drop the physical/magical so easily. Though I don't think that merging them together would require a buff to damage. People aren't going to dump all of the displaced points they get from the merge into defense after all. But again, I doubt we'll go with that for the reasons you pointed out.
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« Reply #4548 on: August 08, 2014, 08:55:06 pm »

also, I think I'll go with just telekinesis, because as a GM, I know full well how incredible a pain any powers related to the mind are, and I will not go there
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« Reply #4549 on: August 08, 2014, 08:55:19 pm »

*shakes head*

Damage will always have an advantage over defense, even with these changes. Weapon Bonuses push it in favor of offense, magic multipliers do too. As is, you only have to focus on either strength or magic, if you want to deal damage, but to tank, you have to split your focus between both defense and resistance; this way, that's just more even.

Though, yes, physical damage at the very least needs a buff. Magic does not.
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Re: Rise of the Magic Girls v3 OOC: More characters for the character throne!
« Reply #4550 on: August 08, 2014, 08:56:42 pm »

That's kind of the thing about bosses, they're tanky and take a bit to take down. The problem is no one is giving them the power to back it up. And it shouldn't be in the form of powerful minions.

Also, now I can write as I am done working and making my dinner.

So, why did the Youkai flee? Well, it could be humans becoming to prolific, their technology closing the gap between the two, they could have just gotten sick of humans but knew that killing them all was out of the question, or people from, say, Europe came with THEIR magic users and things got a lot harder for Youkai.

And my two cents is toss magic multipliers. If it's necessary you can do it with straight numbers.
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« Reply #4551 on: August 08, 2014, 09:01:31 pm »

well, I'd say buffs depend on creativity. When Icarus uses the options of her robotic body to full extend, she has a full arsenal of physical attacks. Once we get to the Icarus-Plot (oh boy, this will take so god damn long to get there) the arsenal will increase drasticaly.




also, no power to back it up?


Amazeroth was tanky as hell. If it wasn't for Hilda going full on canon mode and then rolling incredibly well, (and in the same vein, being beheaded for it), Amazeroth would have lasted easily 4-5 rounds longer. Looking at the overall health of the group at the time the battle ended, 2-3 people would have died. Don't be too hasty to call him weak. He was the second weakest of the sultanes, and he nearly kills you all. I am still working on balancing the lolgrammoth fight, but frankly speaking, you guys are in trouble.


And not "Oh no, it's Araceli who goes down almost instantly and only dealing damage while outside of combat or getting a kill in a scripted event" trouble.


Actual trouble.
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« Reply #4552 on: August 08, 2014, 09:09:54 pm »

A solution I can think of stop defence and resistance stats being useless is that they grant a hard bonus to defending against attacks, for  example, every 3 points in either stat could grant a +1 to the defence roll. A good ratio of stat:bonus would require some tests to be discovered.
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« Reply #4553 on: August 08, 2014, 09:12:22 pm »

That's kind of the thing about bosses, they're tanky and take a bit to take down. The problem is no one is giving them the power to back it up. And it shouldn't be in the form of powerful minions.
Personally, I don't think they need to be more powerful, rather the environment should play a far greater effect. More opportunity for ranged fighters to lay down suppressive fire and for melee units to fly out of the shadows, blade-first. After all, if the PCs are now going on the offensive, (none of the antagonists at present, excluding Araceli, actually have to attack, the sultanes can just nom on creation and become too powerful for the PCs to even harm if given enough time, whilst Murder Night can just sit back in her compound sending forth a tide of assassins) then their enemies will likely choose the battleground. Whilst the PCs can still exploit it, the boss would already know the battlefield and be able to capitalize it initially.
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« Reply #4554 on: August 08, 2014, 09:24:26 pm »

Also, now I can write as I am done working and making my dinner.

Yay. Except I shall be going to bed now. What a coincidence. I know it's been 30 minutes. Shut up, I was working on other stuff.
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« Reply #4555 on: August 08, 2014, 09:35:57 pm »

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« Reply #4557 on: August 08, 2014, 09:45:11 pm »

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« Reply #4558 on: August 08, 2014, 09:46:08 pm »

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« Reply #4559 on: August 08, 2014, 09:48:29 pm »

...Should I leave now before the inevitable stalking occurs?
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