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[IronyOwl]

Still sifting through stuff.


maskwolf:

As ZU very astutely says, I have to be a sage because Flandre/Reverie SAW MY ACTION.  NOBODY ELSE IS A SAGE.  NOBODY ELSE HAS CLAIMED SAGE.  And if I was on the scumteam and so you say I'm not the real sage someone else on the team is, WHY NOT HAVE THE REAL SAGE CLAIM INSTEAD OF ME.  It would be incredibly counterproductive to do anything else.

That being said, the scumteam is Persus and NQT, with ZU also possibly being a scum illusionist after revival.

I did a lot of research last night, checking and cross-referencing things through a variety of tomes. I discovered that a Dark Magus is a versatile and flexible foe with a wide range of powers.

So if you inspected N1, you still could have killed N2 and thereafter. Is there any all-caps reason I'm forgetting why you couldn't have guessed N2 and N3 inspect results?

And NQT: the reason I didn't, and still don't, vote either of you two is that I'm done playing mafia and want to leave as soon as possible.  Too bad if that's unfun for you.

You said you'd play, play. Or at the very least request a replacement.


NQT:

Toaster, Persus, neither of you's is dead, so results please. IronyOwl, you too.


(Obviously I have nothing interesting more to claim otherwise I would now do so)

ZU, I claimed in my last post yesterday. Well, as much as people need to know. I can cough up an alibi every night if people really need but I'm very aware that I claimed too much too early in the last Supernatural game and I'll not make that mistake again.

I did claim. If you can't work out what I was claiming then I did my job right in not telling scum too much. I'd say more if people were actually worried about my alignment.

Yeah, I voted him straight off because he's most likely to be scum. But you're right, he's not a converter (though he may have been converted). I think the converter if there is one would only be one-shot, otherwise they'd be converting every night. I'm going to have a think about everything, especially when everyone else claims, before I press my final case today.

ZU, yeah he did say. He wanted info more than he wanted people alive. I'll quote it all, but I want to hear from everyone else first.

I've got four nights of claims ready to paste. I want to hear what everyone has to say about last night before I start divulging any info that could help a fakeclaim. We've got a little while. I can wait for everyone to get in here.

"EVERYONE CLAIM EVERYTHING! I need every scrap of info anyone has before I say or do anything. I would make an exception and chance it were I in danger, obviously."

Haha fuck you. This better be a goddamned magical claim that's totally reliable even though you knew everything we did before making it. Especially since it wasn't important enough to mention yesterday when you were pretty sure you "were going to get NK'd anyway."

[ToonyMan]

Yay, I was right about another person's role.

Unfortunately, I have absolutely nothing to claim. Besides reviving ZU on N2 I haven't gotten a single PM during the night.

Role-claims:

ToonyMan - Priest
IronyOwl - Sage
Persus13 - Fortune Teller
notquitethere - Warlock
Toaster - Thief
zombie urist - Sexton
4maskwolf - Seer

No one has claimed roleblocker, so either 4maskwolf is lying or someone else is lying.

People's roles who I think are confirmed:

Zombie Urist - he should be back as a sexton still
4maskwolf - Flandre confirms them as a seer

I don't feel like Persus13's role is confirmed because he only gave us known knowledge here, besides NQT, but NQT has reason to believe they could have figured it out.

Speaking of NQT, their role is also confirmed by ZU.

IronyOwl is probably a sage, if 4mask is telling the truth however...I find IronyOwl not trust-worthy.

Toaster's claim could be easily faked. I'd like to hear what he did last night. 4mask is backing them as town, however...

4mask/Toaster scum is possible. Toaster being the Dark Magus, 4mask being the N1 convert.

Especially since it wasn't important enough to mention yesterday when you were pretty sure you "were going to get NK'd anyway."

To be fair, he says that at the end of every Day.

[4maskwolf]

I did a lot of research last night, checking and cross-referencing things through a variety of tomes. I discovered that a Dark Magus is a versatile and flexible foe with a wide range of powers.

This is actually more useful to the town than you might think.  It explains quite a few things and clears several people.

I am going to hazard a guess that the dark magus can not only take an apprentice, but that that apprentice takes up at least some of the original's powers.  The "wide range of powers" would explain how I got roleblocked last night: one of the dark magus team roleblocked me while the other killed Reverie.

Now, my list of people I believe to be in the clear:
4maskwolf
ToonyMan: if he had been converted night one, he could not have used his revive night two, illusioned himself, and Persus performed the scumkill.  That is too many actions for the scumteam.  As such, I believe him to be innocent.
IronyOwl: there is no reason for him to give us this much information as a scum team member.  It would have been far too easy to fabricate information to placate us, but the information we have been given seems remarkably accurate.

Now, the possible scum members, at least in my mind, from order of most scum to least scum:
Persus13: Only person other than Irony and ZU I haven't inspected, and those two are townie in my eyes and couldn't be the converter, respectively.
Toaster: Pending the man actually posting, my second scum pick because could have been converted N1 after my inspect.
NQT: The only charge I have against him is the obvconverter Persus knew what type of role he had.  Other than that, after what Irony said, most of my accusations became invalid.
ZU: Can't be original, but if he is scum from the revival (highly unlikely) then we are at LYLO right now.

Let's go through the list of people, objectively, and see who could be the converter:
ToonyMan: almost certainly not.
IronyOwl: Probably not, for reasons stated above.
Persus13: Yes, could be converter.
notquitethere: second best option after Persus, barring a roleclaim.
Toaster: nope.  showed up town the first night to 4maskwolf and the pm in question was confirmed by a now-dead confirmed townie.
ZU: Nope.  Was revived.
4maskwolf: had his claim supported by Reverie that he targeted toaster with an inspect night one, so no.

[ToonyMan]

That's true. Toaster can't be the converter either. What wise target did you choose last night, Persus13?

[Toaster]

I tracked NQT last night because he hadn't claimed yet.  He visited the grave of Jim, so it looks like his warlock story's panning out.  NQT, you do need to full claim now since it's potentially LYLO.

NQT:

Illusionists can't roleblock. The Guard is the blocker, a jailkeeper role.

This isn't quite true.  I was an Illusionist in Super2, and was told that redirecting someone to themselves was a sort of roleblock, though I didn't ask if this applied to an untargeted action (Sage) or one that randomly targets (Dreamwalker).

It's also pretty irrelevant since no one has claimed Illusionist or being redirected.


4mask:  There's one big problem with your claim: you didn't say who you tried to inspect and why.  Why is this?



So...

ToonyMan - Uncountered claim to res ZU.
IronyOwl - Sage claim - has provided some info.
Persus13 - Fortune teller - claimed new knowledge on NQT.
notquitethere - Seems to actually be a warlock.
Toaster - Me.  Claimed uncontested Thief tracks/watches.
zombie urist -  Town as of D2.  Was revived.
4maskwolf - Uncontested seer claim.  Claimed to be blocked, which no one has claimed to have.


Hrm.  Someone's lying here.

[notquitethere]

Well this is exactly why I as waiting to claim: Toaster would have a good guess that I'd visit Jim but couldn't have known absolutely. I am the Warlock. Here are the rest of the chats:

Spoiler: N1, Jiokuy (click to show/hide)

Hi Jiokuy, I'm a warlock (Meph is CC'd), which allows me to talk to one dead person every night (but only during the night). Right now, this means you.

First off, sorry for killing you, but I'm sorta glad I did! It might have been nice for you to live a night and get rid of ZU or IG, but no matter.

Second, do you have any messages to pass to town? Is there any flavour from your PM you'd like to share? And comments?

I know you must have tried not to make enemies, but was there anyone you genuinely suspected?

Hey NQT, yeah def no hard feelings. Heck I even got to learn a little bit about fakeclaiming in games that have been running for a while.

Sadly I was pretty honest. I mostly got by pretending I was town, even to myself. It was just a bad game for me. I couldn't read well.

Outside of what seems obvious (e.g. Jim had been very defensive this game, and Imperial is a walking target?), Toony has a pretty strong combination of passive regarding hunting, and active when it comes to getting the lynch out or pressing for information. It's not much to go on. (But, I was planning on killing Toony N1, no mafia means less chance of being NKed, as I had no immunity to NK's)

I do wonder if Imperial will use his power anyways. It would be mildly Ironic, as I was a big anti-using that power player. I doubt it.

Good Luck!

PS: I know I don't win with you, but you have my support 100%
PPS: Regarding my Role PM, you know most of it. I was cursed by the gods, I seek revenge by harming thier priests. Sadly my flavor gave no clues to the scum team. I was hoping to include a "I win when *Scum X* (e.g. the corrupt priests) are dead" I had a NK, and a waiting ability where I kill anyone who targets me.
PPPS: I really don't strongly suspect Jim.

Spoiler: N2, ZU (click to show/hide)

ZU's quotes are all fine. This was his missing response:

Well this is awkward. I still think Toony and Persus need to be looked at. No real reason I don't think there's a cult its just that even if there's a cult I think Meph will balance it such that a couple of mislynches shouldn't make the game unwinnable.

I actually hope IG (and no one else) resses me b/c I don't think I'll be able to contribute more than I've been contributing already.

Spoiler: N3, Jack (click to show/hide)

Hi Jack,

I'm the town Warlock. Battle = war, bind = lock in the breadcrumb. In previous nights I talked to Jiokuy and ZU-- hence why the latter backed of my case after he was resurrected. I have been deliberately pursuing a policy of pushing controversial points (like being against the unstoppable necro lynch) in an attempt to make me seem mislynchable by scum, so that I might live through the night to talk to you.

Sorry to bombard you with questions, we only have 24 hours to speak:

Who did you protect when you were alive? What was your death flavour? What was your role info? Who do you suspect? What kind of scum team do you think there is? Is there anything else of use you can tell me?

The more I get from here, the better chance we have at a productive Day 4.

Oh, good, I get to say all the stuff I've been wanting to say all of Day 3.

First: I did not take any night actions.  That means I did not stop any Night 1 kill.  N1, I believed that we needed hard info on the scumteam more than we needed one player, and N2 I believed that protects had enough of a chance of being counterproductive that I didn't bother.

Death flavour:
*I was reading a book my mentor gave me about the effects the movements of the stars have on the lines of power that stretch throughout the earth.
*I notice someone sneaking into my house.  No gender given.
*They blast magical fire at me.  I try to counter it with magical water, but the attacker is too good at hitting me with magical fire.
*I die.

Role info:
Initial PM had me as a new arrival to the town: a wizard fresh out of training.  I could protect people with magical defensive wards.  I could not use the wards on myself, though, as they would disrupt the rest of my magic.

Near the end of day 2, I sent a PM to Meph asking a bunch of minor questions about my flavour and whether the information he wrote as a result was made up on the fly.  This was to get some information regarding Hapah's IG claim nitpicking (which, even with IG's claim turning out to be completely fake, still looks like ridiculous nitpicking, often without foundation).  It turns out Meph does make requested extra flavour up on the fly.

My mentor was Aragit Tost, a reclusive old mage in some mountain hamlet.  He had been quite interested in how energy flows through the world, and spent his time studying that.
My defensive wards cause ripples through the ether that screw up any attempts to manipulate magic around them.
As my mentor focused on major shifts in the energies of the world, my non-ward magic consists largely of slow-working and massive rituals that take weeks to prep for and cast.  Those are mostly to prevent massive catastrophes like volcanic eruptions.  I also know a bunch of minor tricks for general life use, like how to light small fires, levitate small objects, and such.  (I guess that includes dousing small fires too.)

Suspects:
I've been paying much less attention to the game since I died, so my suspicions aren't the best.  I'll largely refrain from commenting.  Flabort, whether or not he was converted, is probably a legitimate seer.  Our flavour, particularly regarding ley lines, fits together perfectly.  Hapah's IG nitpicking troubles me, even with IG turning out to have fakeclaimed.  Aside from that, no comment.

Scum team type:
Evil spellcasters.  The sort that like running around and setting people on fire with their magic.  May have a one-shot convert.

Anything else:
I'd love it if Toony would stop assuming I stopped a nightkill, because, as has been pointed out, it isn't a very good assumption.  Had I protected and stopped a nightkill, I wouldn't have assumed a cult.  Even if trying to blend in, I wouldn't have been so absolutely sure of a cult.  That shouldn't be too shocking.

Thanks for taking the time to describe your flavour info, that may help me if I need to claim Warlock in future. You've been a lot more forthcoming than ZU was in that regard.

The lack of a kill N1, followed by your fiery death looks like we're dealing with a charismatic cult who converted the first night. Unless, of course, there is a second wizard: this would seem unlikely, but give 3 distinct kill roles in the town, not impossible.

The ley lines and your magic battle point to a magic-themed scum team, so luckily no vampires here. That much we can be glad about.


If there were any thoughts you had before Day breaks, feel free to contact me. I know it's a big thing to ask, but if you'd have time to reread the thread I would really benefit from having a confirmed town's perspective on things. Though you are dead, you're still a valued member of the team!

Thanks again.

(He didn't get back to me with anything after that)

Spoiler: N4, Jim (click to show/hide)

Hi Jim,

I'm the town warlock. We can talk for the next 24 hours. Do you have any info you can tell me? Lone witches can place wards, right?

Also, if you've got any other reflections on the game, that would be much appreciated.

I dare say I'll be killed in the night, but if not if there's anything you could tell me that would be grand.

If there's anything you'd like to know, feel free to ask. I hope I can still win this game.

Cheers!

I placed the ward on you, so I have nothing to tell you regarding your own actions that you don't already know.

Nobody visited you Nights 1, 2, and 3. Also, Flandre is telling the truth about my death flavor.

I placed the ward on you, so I have nothing to tell you regarding your own actions that you don't already know.

Nobody visited you Nights 1, 2, and 3. Also, Flandre is telling the truth about my death flavor.

Thanks for the info! Your ward wouldn't pick up a Seer inspection would it?

I don't think they visit their targets, so probably not.

I chose Jiokuy N1 because he was the only dead person, ZU N2 because he was the only other dead person, Jack N3 because he was the Wizard and so the most useful person to talk to, and Jim N4 because he was the only town player with a power that I hadn't spoken to yet.

Conclusions: Jiokuy knew nothing, ZU was definitely a sexton, Jack protected no one and his flavour corroborates Flabort's claims, Jim was watching me and no one visited me (Seer don't leave home so wouldn't be spotted).

Persus might be lying about being a fortune teller, as he could easily have figured out my cryptic crossword-style D1 breadcrumbing:

notquitethere What's hiding beneath the hood?

Hover over the text. Battle=War; Bind=Lock; a warlock (in D&D but not in Supernatural) can be a man who makes pacts with powers.

[Mephansteras]

The Scribe's Tally Sheet
4maskwolf: notquitethere
notquitethere: IronyOwl
Persus13: 4maskwolf, ToonyMan, zombie urist


Day ends ~4pm Pacific Wednesday

[zombie urist]

I suppose that Flabort/IO 's claim is true so they can't be a magus.

[notquitethere]

The stuff about ley lines, and knowing about the Necromancer make the claim more believable, yes.

[notquitethere]

Irony Owl, do you disbelieve my claim now? Would you kindly vote someone that might actually be scum?

[4maskwolf]

toaster: I tried to inspect Persus13 because I deemed him the shadiest of the people that I hadn't inspected.

[IronyOwl]

I think what we need right now is a list of everyone's claim quotes so we can figure out who exactly needs to be lying in order for what to be true. I've been trying to assemble this but I'm struggling.

I'm a Fortune Teller. Fortune Teller is a type of Mystic like Oracles and Seers, except they're basically a form of rolecop but not very precise in determining roles (Multiple roles will get the same inspection result)

N1 I inspected ZU, because he seemed scummy to me then and I couldn't think of anyone else at the time (I didn't inspect IG because he had claimed a new role, so I didn't know whether or not his role would be true). I got the result of Watcher, so it matched his Sexton claim.
N2 I went after Toaster, because he was my top scumpick at that point in time. He is a Watcher. Since there hasn't been a thief inspection in previous games, I don't know whether or not he's telling the truth about his role.
N3 I inspected NQT, because he was the only one against the IG/MOWE, which seemed odd (not scummy, just odd) and I got the result of Watcher (Seriously, I must be targeting all the Watcher roles in this setup). NQT hasn't claimed yet, but he definitely could be a Sexton, Seer, or a Warlock, judging by past inspects, and he couldn't be

I am a Dreamwalker, one who jumps between the minds of others as I sleep (wow, creepy). Every night, one random, unnamed person is chosen as a host for my nightly visions, and I see everything that they do if it is specified (i.e. I see their night PM's).

On Night 1, I saw 4nightwolf's night action. He was in an alcove with incensed braziers, requesting from the gods a feeling at Toaster's alignment, which turned out benign. His claim was truthful and I confirm that he is town.

Night 2 was uneventful.

Night 3 is a bit more interesting. I witnessed Jim's grisly death through his own eyes. He never saw his assailant, but it was a familiar voice that responded and laughed at Jim's exclamation to the room before sending fire forth from his hands and burning Jim to a crisp.

As an afterthought, I think it's best to mention that I only know 4maskwolf's PM belonged to him because he claimed as much, and that it was Jim's death I witnessed because his killer addressed him by name.

I am a Thief.  I can track or watch people.

N1 I watched Flabort.  IG's claim pointed him strongly out as a town role and that bad things might happen with IG if Flabort died, so I figured him as a good target for scum, kill or convert.  No one visited him.

N2 I tracked ToonyMan.  I still wasn't sure what to think of him, so I wanted to see what he was up to.  He indeed visited Zombie U's grave.  I didn't see the need to mention this to vouch for him since no one believed IG anyway.

N3 I tracked TWS/4mask.  Like I said, I'd be revisiting him.  I was hoping to catch him burning someone, but instead he stayed home all night, which is consistent with a Seer's ability (they don't leave home to use it.)  It's not confirmation of his ability (or alignment) but it's consistent.

So that's 3 out of however many relevant claims we've got. Six? Seven? Eugh.

Based on what I've seen, it pretty much has to be Persus. But that assumes everyone's telling the truth, which they might not be. That's why I want the full list, so we know, for instance, how many liars we'd need for Toaster or Toony to be the Dark Magus. I'll continue to work on it eventually, but if you couldn't tell I'm having trouble sifting through everything.


NQT:

Irony Owl, do you disbelieve my claim now? Would you kindly vote someone that might actually be scum?

I suppose not, and I suppose I should.


4mask:

I am going to hazard a guess that the dark magus can not only take an apprentice, but that that apprentice takes up at least some of the original's powers.  The "wide range of powers" would explain how I got roleblocked last night: one of the dark magus team roleblocked me while the other killed Reverie.

This seems a bit wonky to me. I guess it's plausible that the apprentice can use a nightkill while the master continues to use his broader power suite, but I really don't see the other way around.

Which brings us to the next question: Out of all of the options, why do you think scum would roleblock you?

[notquitethere]

All

Wolf is confirmed as inconsistent:

Alright, I guess we have it all planned out.  Lynch Hapah today, I inspect Ottofar and Toaster tracks Persus.  If either of us dies and the other turns up a negative, we know who the converter is.

Everyone move your votes over to Hapah and then wait, I guess.

toaster: I tried to inspect Persus13 because I deemed him the shadiest of the people that I hadn't inspected.

The Hapah lynch was predicated on Wolf and Toaster enacting a plan that they never even pretended to enact.

Wolf also believes the only block in the entire game was used on him when there have been nights like N2 where everyone has claimed an action and no one claims to be blocked. Need I note that town is going along with the lynch choice of a liar? At what is most likely LYLO?!

Toaster, what made me a better target to follow than Persus?

I can't believe we still haven't heard from Persus. Extend until he gets here.

Everyone looking back, Hapah's claimed flavor was quite compelling. I'd like everyone to say a bit about their character's background. Ask Meph for more details if you need to.

I was only just learning the skills of the warlock when these dark times came upon me, but I feel confident in using my powers to help. If you'd like more, I'll ask for more details.

[IronyOwl]

Extend.

While I acknowledge that the current times are a Bad Thing, I seem to actually be pretty excited to be able to put my skills to work and solve this fascinating puzzle.

That's basically it. I've requested more detail from Meph.

[4maskwolf]

extend.

Pfp, I'll get to questions/accusations later, but Meph: would a conversion show up in your night pm?