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[Quartz_Mace]

How do I edit my settings with the Mac version? I can't seem to find it.
EDIT: Also, how do I change my parent civ when embarking in Fortress Mode.

[slay_mithos]

For choosing your civ in during embark: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=143091.msg5619893#msg5619893

As for editing, I am afraid that unless you aare willing to at least temporarily run the launcher in a window box (or whatever the emulation is called), you'll have to do your editing of the raws by hand.
I seriously don't recommand it, because it's easy to mess up and screw things up, given the amount of lines you would need to edit for even the small options from the launcher.

Just out of curiosity, does the game with mod run fine on OSX?
I always thought that you needed a special version of the game (the executable part), and no clue about dfhack working on it.

[Quartz_Mace]

There's a fan-made download for Mac, but not everything appears to work 100% as intended. I think I'll postpone trying Masterwork until I've experienced more of vanilla, mostly because of the headaches with the technical stuff. Also, just wondering, what sort of guns does the mod add? Are they high or low tech, and how useful are they?

[smakemupagus]

what sort of guns does the mod add? Are they high or low tech, and how useful are they?

The guns which are commonly available, pistol/flachette/musket, are relatively low tech.  Generally they are a bit more complicated to craft and arm than other weapons, needing special workshops and brass, steel, gunpowder, etc. They do a particularly good job piercing armor (so a good candidate for crippling the enemy with poisoned ammo or just chipping-the-bone pain), but otherwise don't seem to have as much killing power as good old bodkins.    Handcannons can be devastating but really heavy to haul around, and ammo can be in short supply. 

There are some high tech guns to play around with too. They're effective, if pretty complicated to craft.  I don't know that they're more useful than the high-end conventional ranged weapons though. Orcish composite bows are simple to craft and quite deadly enough, while Dwarven upgraded crossbows/javelin launchers and Elvish greatbows are just brutal.

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Spoiler: gun skill weapons in MDF (click to show/hide)

shoot bullets

[NAME:sling:slings]
[NAME:musket:muskets]
[NAME:musket:muskets][ADJECTIVE:bayonetted]
[NAME:flint lock pistol:flint lock pistol]
[NAME:flint lock pistol:flint lock pistol][ADJECTIVE:bayonetted]
[NAME:seawolf buccaneer arms:seawolf buccaneers arms]# represents a scimitar and pistol kit
[NAME:lifeguard arms:lifeguards arms]# represents a polehammer and musket dual wielded

shoot cannonballs

[NAME:hand cannon:hand cannons]
[NAME:sapper flamethrower:sapper flamethrowers]

shoot darts

[NAME:blowgun:blowguns]
[NAME:flachette gun:flachette guns]
[NAME:dakkadakka gun:dakkadakka guns]

shoot various gnomish projectiles

[NAME:magnetic railgun:magnetic railguns]
[NAME:magnetic crossbow:magnetic crossbows]
[NAME:cage-o-matic launcher:cage-o-matic launchers]
[NAME:grenade launcher:grenade launchers]

(really quick search - probably not complete)

[Quartz_Mace]

what sort of guns does the mod add? Are they high or low tech, and how useful are they?

The guns which are commonly available, pistol/flachette/musket, are relatively low tech.  Generally they are a bit more complicated to craft and arm than other weapons, needing special workshops and brass, steel, gunpowder, etc. They do a particularly good job piercing armor (so a good candidate for crippling the enemy with poisoned ammo or just chipping-the-bone pain), but otherwise don't seem to have as much killing power as good old bodkins.    Handcannons can be devastating but really heavy to haul around, and ammo can be in short supply. 

There are some high tech guns to play around with too. They're effective, if pretty complicated to craft.  I don't know that they're more useful than the high-end conventional ranged weapons though. Orcish composite bows are simple to craft and quite deadly enough, while Dwarven upgraded crossbows/javelin launchers and Elvish greatbows are just brutal.

#################

Spoiler: gun skill weapons in MDF (click to show/hide)

shoot bullets

[NAME:sling:slings]
[NAME:musket:muskets]
[NAME:musket:muskets][ADJECTIVE:bayonetted]
[NAME:flint lock pistol:flint lock pistol]
[NAME:flint lock pistol:flint lock pistol][ADJECTIVE:bayonetted]
[NAME:seawolf buccaneer arms:seawolf buccaneers arms]# represents a scimitar and pistol kit
[NAME:lifeguard arms:lifeguards arms]# represents a polehammer and musket dual wielded

shoot cannonballs

[NAME:hand cannon:hand cannons]
[NAME:sapper flamethrower:sapper flamethrowers]

shoot darts

[NAME:blowgun:blowguns]
[NAME:flachette gun:flachette guns]
[NAME:dakkadakka gun:dakkadakka guns]

shoot various gnomish projectiles

[NAME:magnetic railgun:magnetic railguns]
[NAME:magnetic crossbow:magnetic crossbows]
[NAME:cage-o-matic launcher:cage-o-matic launchers]
[NAME:grenade launcher:grenade launchers]

(really quick search - probably not complete)

Woah! These are really cool, and they can have bayonets! I was looking at the wiki, and I saw that other ranged weapons can also have blades, so that's really cool. I'll have to try this sometime. It seems like they'd take a long time to reload, so I guess that's the trade-off for piercing power.

[smakemupagus]

I think that the reload time vs. power balance will be much easier for modders to work with once it's ported to DF2014, using the new weapon recovery time mechanic, and so there will probably be more diversity in the capabilities of the various guns & etc.  Unfortunately there wasn't a clean way to separate reload time from projectile velocity in DF2012.

It's still fun to play around with the different guns in the current MDF, there were tricks you can play with projectile mass, force, area, which still makes it so that the different kinds of guns have different kinetic effects.

[Quartz_Mace]

I think I'll try it after it updates to 40, probably on Windows, since Mac doesn't work. I did a bit of testing in adventure mode, and it definitely seems cool. Fortress just doesn't want to work, though.

[Urist Mc Dwarf]

One thing I'd like in the GUI would be something to make animals trainable and tameable.

[Hefateus]

Found a bug in the 6.1 gui. When turning off Succubus in the launcher Dwarves are also switched off as a playable race. (edit) After I did this I did gen a new world.

[thegamemaster1234]

Being a Mac user, I finally got Wine running, only to be bitterly disappointed when the launcher crashes on launch. Is there anything known about this?
Here's the terminal log:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Unhandled Exception:
System.TypeLoadException: Could not load type 'MasterworkDwarfFortress.MainForm' from assembly 'Masterwork Dwarf Fortress, Version=2.6.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=null'.
  at MasterworkDwarfFortress.My.MyProject+MyForms.get_MainForm () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at MasterworkDwarfFortress.My.MyApplication.OnCreateMainForm () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at Microsoft.VisualBasic.ApplicationServices.WindowsFormsApplicationBase.OnRun () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at Microsoft.VisualBasic.ApplicationServices.WindowsFormsApplicationBase.Run (System.String[] commandLine) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at MasterworkDwarfFortress.My.MyApplication.Main (System.String[] Args) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
[ERROR] FATAL UNHANDLED EXCEPTION: System.TypeLoadException: Could not load type 'MasterworkDwarfFortress.MainForm' from assembly 'Masterwork Dwarf Fortress, Version=2.6.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=null'.
  at MasterworkDwarfFortress.My.MyProject+MyForms.get_MainForm () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at MasterworkDwarfFortress.My.MyApplication.OnCreateMainForm () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at Microsoft.VisualBasic.ApplicationServices.WindowsFormsApplicationBase.OnRun () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at Microsoft.VisualBasic.ApplicationServices.WindowsFormsApplicationBase.Run (System.String[] commandLine) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at MasterworkDwarfFortress.My.MyApplication.Main (System.String[] Args) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0

Dunno what this is, looks like some internal errors. Could use some help here.

[slay_mithos]

I'd say that there is a high probability that it comes from wine having an old version of .net.

As far as google could tell me, wine uses .net 3.5, and the game and launcher require the .net 4 framework.

[thegamemaster1234]

This log of events is getting a little too long, so here's a neat spoiler tag.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Does that mean it's impossible to use Masterwork with mac computers? Or is there a way to update wine's .NET to use v4? I suppose I'll have to look that up, then...

EDIT: Found a way to get .NET 4.0 for Wine. And what do you know, everything's working perfectly! Yay! Thanks slay_mithos, that helped clear things up a lot!

EDIT2: Crashes after clicking any of the drop-down tabs. Starts spamming the console with "not supported yet" messages, meaning that somehow the classes that make such drop-downs aren't supported even though they work fine in the other utilities. Oh well.

EDIT3: Ok, everything WAS working, until I tried to launch DF. The game appears to go into a sort of uber-fullscreen mode where it zooms in so far that the pixels on the giant D in the top-right corner (that's all you can see) are blurry. Pressing ESC makes the giant D disappear/reappear. There is no sound, no music. Changing the init file didn't seem to change anything. Going into windowed mode from the launcher doesn't do anything either; you instead get a nice window that would normally house DF, but it's a giant D instead. That blinks in and out of existence by pressing ESC (showing that it's actually running; ESC usually brings you to options from the main menu, right?).

Also, the linux version is a whole release behind; version 5. I don't like being without some of the features/bugfixes present in the current version, so a way to use Masterwork without using older versions on Mac would be highly appreciated. I'm trying a desperate attempt to download the mac version of df 0.34.11 to replace the Windows one included with Masterwork.

...And as it turns out, even that doesn't work. Trying to create a world crashes the program. Dammit.

EDIT4: Did some googling and found out that Meph himself had tried using the Linux version in some kind of combination with the newest version and it worked (reddit post)... but it was an old post where Meph had just released the Gnomes, 7 months ago. Of course, that's not going to stop me from trying anyway

Probably would've worked if there was a way to run Linux-compiled binaries on other systems without having the source code. I'm stuck!

Finally, I just downloaded the outdated mac version and smashed the newest version in there. Seems to work so far, I've already gotten started with a small Warlock fort. Looking forward to playing around with all this cool stuff in the future!

[slay_mithos]

I know there is a linux version, that seems to be running fine (never tried it myself), and the theory would say that it has high probabilities to run on an other Unix-based system that is macosx.

[urmane]

I've been running my linux version of MDF6.1 for a while now, no issues.  Most of the related packages can be compiled from source (dfhack, DT) - on linux, anyway.

I cannot get .NET working on my own box (get that same MainForm error reported above), so cannot use the GUI, but have heard that others have gotten it to work.  I included a couple of cheeseball scripts I wrote to edit the raw files in-place - they don't do everything, and may not even be doing it correctly, but they're better than nothing ...

[arbarbonif]

It does not seem the the giant animal or animal-men options work in the GUI (at least I'm still getting animal men).  I'm guessing that [DOES_NOT_EXIST] isn't a tag that a variation can add.  Even if that did work, it looks like the options are reversed in that having the box checked adds the tag (which would remove the variation).