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[smakemupagus]

Hmm, those are really cool, but they require the special gnomish electricity right?  I don't want the orcs to have to mess around with that, was hoping it was possible to require good old mechanical power.  Thanks

[Arcvasti]

Hmm, those are really cool, but they require the special gnomish electricity right?

No, actually, the gnomes use regular mechanical power and clockwork.

[smakemupagus]

Here's the changes I'll be testing for a while.  Since I'm out of practice I'm sure a lot of it is messed up

As you can see it's mostly reactions to clean up extra stuff that appears nowadays in the fort, and small fixes for missing clay reactions and the sort.

Arcvasti, thanks, I guess i was wrong about me being able to figure out the power business   I'll actually play some gnome mode soon and try to learn how it works.

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* WOOD_PLANKS_SPORE_ORC (gob mill)
* WOOD_PLANKS_GLUMP_ORC (gob mill)
* WOOD_PLANKS_FEATH_ORC (gob mill)
* CUT_SMALL_SPORE_ORC (nethermill)
* CUT_SMALL_FUNGI_ORC (nethermill)
* CUT_SMALL_GLTHORN_ORC (nethermill)
* CUT_SMALL_SHTHORN_ORC (nethermill)
* GLASSTHORN_ORC (nethermill; strip to rough clear glass)
* BURN_SMALL_SPORE_ORC (factory)
* BURN_GNARLED_ROOTS_ORC (factory)
* HEAL_PET_ORC (stone circle)
* TRIBAL_CRISKNIFE_ORC (tribal crafter; basic shard knife)
* Add tribal crisknife to item_weapon_ranged
* TRIBAL_DREAMSTAFF_ORC (tribal crafter; basic rune stave)
* Add tribal staff to item_weapon_ranged
* Entity permit all of above

* Remove (malfunctioning) Minotaur transform from Altar of Storms
* INORGANIC:NERVE_STAPLE_STONE (remove emotions, sight, speed)
* REACTION:NERVE_STAPLE_ORC (Altar of Storms)
* Entity permit

* BUILDING_WORKSHOP:MUCK_GOBLIN (clay crafts and perhaps other bog related activities)
* CLAY_JUG_ORC
* CLAY_POT_ORC
* CLAY_CRAFT_ORC
* CLAY_HIVE_ORC
* CLAY_STATUE_ORC
* PEAT_FUEL_ORC
* Entity permit all of above
* Entity permitted a number of glazing reactions from reaction_other such as ORC_BOLD_GLAZE_JUG_ASH

* [BUILDING_FURNACE:ARBALEST_ORC][NAME:Looted arbalest] quite hard -- Requires dwarven prisoner AND tools, and mechxbow
* [BUILDING_FURNACE:TREBUCHET_ORC][NAME:Looted cannon tower] quite hard -- Requires dwarven prisoner AND tools, and cannon
* inorganic: MORPHSTONE_TREBUCHET_ORC
* inorganic: MORPHSTONE_GUNNER_ORC
* REACTION:ORC_TREBUCHET_3
* REACTION:ORC_ARBALEST_3
* Entity permit all of above

* Re-Enabled raiding ruins
* Ruins raid creates antmen siege probability
* Greatly reduced probability of highest tier loot from ruins (expected value ~1 high tier item)

* Fix, remove chance of free extra longboat from Farm raid
* Increase yield of BUY_TAIGASEED_PACKET (cost is pretty high)
* Tweak Tavern gambling; winnings are in 500 coin stacks, same expected value
* CRAFT_SCARECROW_ORC (kob trickster) now creates a spellstone, rather than a tool (will need testing)
* Craft rock decoy (kob trickster) removed
* Shaggy Mumakil 3x more expensive (petvalue 3000)
* Added Squigs with castes Breeder (female/egg/milk), Eating, Wooly(yarn), Growler(wartrain), and Terrier(verminhunter).  This is intended to fill a niche of low cost ranch critters and be not nearly as effective as the more expensive orc creatures. 
* Create graphics for squigs
* Reference graphics for squigs

* Removed soulgem requirement for smelting materials at Ancient Foundry
* Added soulgem requirement for crafting weapons at Arcane Forge
* Removed dream talisman requirement for crafting mundane Temple Guard's weapons at S&S (still req soulgem for Dawn/Eveningstar consecration)

and when it comes to lua i am totally winging it;

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*** hack/lua
* Fixed typo in reaction-hook.lua (_WARMRAY not _WARMYRAY)
*insertPet("TAIGA","SQUIG","MALE")
*insertPet("TAIGA","SQUIG","FEMALE")
*insertPet("TAIGA","SQUIG","WOOLY")
*insertPet("TAIGA","SQUIG","GROWLER")
*insertPet("TAIGA","SQUIG","TERRIER")

[Gamerlord]

I like the antmen siege possibility! What do you have planned for the succubi/gnome/warlock raids? (If we can raid them at all.)

[Fleeb]

How exactly do I send orcs raiding? I have a drydock, built a longboat, and have like 10k rusty iron coins. I've run the job "collect raiders weapons" (or something like that) at the drydock a few times, but I never get the option to actually raid or anything. What am I doing wrong?

[smakemupagus]

Yeah, that's it.  Longboat, 1000k - 5000k 1000-5000 shillings, and weapons kit.  Maybe you're experiencing the (vanilla) burrows bug.

Gamerlord:  my thoughts are something like this:

tier 1:  low risk, low reward
* round up gob/kob
* pillage farm
* maybe couple more

tier 2:  similar moderate risk/reward to the current loot tables (including chance for retaliation)
* raid settlement
* raid mines
* raid shipping
* raid shrine
* raid outpost armory
* raid tomb complex

tier 3:  "reward tier" -- moderate risk, good rewards but not many directly high end items; requires a semi rare "map" item
* loot ancient ruins
* loot pirate treasure
* loot grand temple
* loot arms shipment

tier 4:  high cost, chance for unique loot, chance for partial success, high chance for retaliation; requires a significantly rare "map" item
* assault city
* assault mountainhomes
* assault forest retreat
* assault dark tower
* assault gnome ... place?

[Fleeb]

Whoa, 1000k? I assume that's a typo? K meaning "thousand". I have 10k or ten thousand coins.

I'm not familiar with the burrows bug. I haven't actually set up any burrows yet.

[smakemupagus]

Whoa, 1000k? I assume that's a typo? K meaning "thousand". I have 10k or ten thousand coins.

I'm not familiar with the burrows bug. I haven't actually set up any burrows yet.

yes typo, 1k to 5k

works fine for me in game.  can take a look if you want to post a save, otherwise i dunno

[Gamerlord]

Try checking that you're actually making the weapon kits. Sometimes they just don't get made or they get stored in one of those bins of finished goods that just keep getting dragged everywhere.

[Fleeb]

How do I look for them, do they show up in stocks somewhere?

[smakemupagus]

weapon kits are tools.  as are longboats.

this is a general comment, not specific to orc fort, but if you don't know whether the reaction is taking place it might go smoothest if you keep a small stockpile of inputs (copper weapons, coins) and outputs (wood & copper tools for boats & weapon kits) nearby WITHOUT bins, because inputs in bins can get carried around and cause cancellations. 

[MuDD]

What Smake just said about the small input stockpiles. That's how I always handled the raiding for what it's worth. Small weapon stock for copper daggers, tool stocks and a small wood stockpile for longboat logs.

[ussdefiant]

mild request while you're mucking about: reactions to make a full suit of metal armor in the factory, instead of just mail shirts.

Doesn't have to include a shield, since you might want your dudes to have 2H weapons, but it gets annoying to put in a half-dozen manager requests and completely clog my forges to get enough equipment to completely cover one dude.

[smakemupagus]

all,
Meph asked for some "getting started" tips for the manual.  Please post if you have some specific advices for new warchiefs (stuff you like to add to your embark, which key buildings to prioritize, how to make use of castes, maybe some comments specific to a certain style of orc camp, etc.)?  otherwise of course I can fill it out but good to get other inputs too

mild request while you're mucking about: reactions to make a full suit of

Good suggestion, thanks

[Arcvasti]

My personal tips: I always bring a Leatherworker Artisan. That's basically essential. And two orcish warriors for early hunting. Uruk and Ronin are preferable, but normal orcs work too. Aside from that, I mostly go about starting like dwarves do, minus the pick. I usually don't bring anything unusual besides 3-4 extra anvils at embark. Since I usually go for a mostly to completely aboveground camp with orcs, I always choose a site with clay and use raw boulders to build. I usually prioritize the Tribal Warcrafter to get iron-grade armour for my two warriors as soon as possible. I also try and get a wall around the workshops really quickly and expand upwards in future. Most of the Kobold and Goblin workshops are pretty useful early on, especially if you lack digging, so I get Raiding online in Autumn. Orcish Factory is pretty useful for turning out absurd amounts of bricks for upward expansion and is really useful for making copper daggers for raiding, so its next. Usually by then, my warrior orcs are legendary[Because their learn-rates are twice as good as dwarves with Harder Learning on] and that first siege is really easy.