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[Splint]

Is it normal that skeletons learn skills by themselves, without help of Inscriptor? I mean, even kobolds seem to be slower learners than skeletons.

Depends on the skill. Noncombat no, combat yes, if I read the manual right.

[Sver]

Depends on the skill. Noncombat no, combat yes, if I read the manual right.

Well, they learn cooking and engraving just as fine as dwarves do.

[Meph]

Depends on the skill. Noncombat no, combat yes, if I read the manual right.

Well, they learn cooking and engraving just as fine as dwarves do.

Turns out the base skeleton does have the [SKILL_RATES:1:0:0:0]  that the ironbone/bloodsteel/dreadnought skeleton castes have. Thats why the learn some skill now. But they shouldnt.

[Splint]

Depends on the skill. Noncombat no, combat yes, if I read the manual right.

Well, they learn cooking and engraving just as fine as dwarves do.

Turns out the base skeleton does have the [SKILL_RATES:1:0:0:0]  that the ironbone/bloodsteel/dreadnought skeleton castes have. Thats why the learn some skill now. But they shouldnt.

See, this is why I haven't started that  fort yet.

Plus I need to get a good concept together for a story...

[Sver]

Just figured out that Warlocks fit in the concepts of DF better, than any other race (except for the actual DF dwarves, whose concepts were created by the game itself).

Imagine a dark, creepy dungeon in the middle of nowhere, guarded by deadly trap system, undeads, demons and other abominations. The rumors of missing people and undead hordes pillaging villages. Small group of crazy, autistic soccerers live there, respecting no rules of the outer world, building bizarre constructions and dropping everything the world has to offer in the fires of magma industry. They control everything in there, from jobs to the life itself. Adventurers and bandits go there for treasures, only to become treasures themselves (goblinite, yay!). Heroes and entire armies go there to clean the world from this threat, only to become undeads themselves. Carnage, blood, suffers, totalitarianism, pointless (but awesome!) constructions, pointless (but awesome!.. wait...) torture and all the other stuff. All the stuff DF player likes.

[Kbarbarossa]

I too noticed the skeleton skill gain when I was checking skill gain in Dwarf Therapist. Also, the new update says skeletons don't turn opposed to life anymore, but it happened repeatedly to my skeletons in my recent Warlock tower.

Did anyone else have issues with getting skeletons to spar? I used the same setup for my Ghoul lasher shock troops for my skeletons and the skeletons just seemed to do demonstrations while the ghouls sparred constantly.

[wrightly678]

How Exactly are you supposed to make ghouls now?

I trapped some invaders in cages, dumped the cages in the corruption chamber,
then I ran the "corrupt invader into ghoul" reaction, which turned them into screaming prisioners, followed by the "corrupt prisioner into ghoul" reaction which changed them into ghouls.

I check their description, they're ghouls and i checked the Units screen, they're citizens, so I build their cages attach levels to them and release them, and they're hostile to my other CIV members interrupting jobs and swiping at people,

How do you fix/Avoid this?

[Meph]

How Exactly are you supposed to make ghouls now?

I trapped some invaders in cages, dumped the cages in the corruption chamber,
then I ran the "corrupt invader into ghoul" reaction, which turned them into screaming prisioners, followed by the "corrupt prisioner into ghoul" reaction which changed them into ghouls.

I check their description, they're ghouls and i checked the Units screen, they're citizens, so I build their cages attach levels to them and release them, and they're hostile to my other CIV members interrupting jobs and swiping at people,

How do you fix/Avoid this?

I was told by Boltgun that this was fixed. I use the same script that he wrote for the Succubus mode.

This is the way its intended to work, just with non-hostile results. Maybe I'm somehow using an outdated script version?

[LMeire]

Why exactly does everything I butcher have a gizzard stone? Everything from wild animals to prisoners to captured invaders have gizzard stones called "<creature name> rock", it's ridiculous. They're filling up my "body(part)s only" stockpiles and I don't know what to do with them because they don't count as bones or actual rocks.

[Niveras]

Is temperature on? The gizzard stones may be interim products intended to produce the clouds (most tasks have them in MDF) but if temperature is off, they remain as stones and don't vaporize into gas.

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Edit: Yeah, never mind that. In diving the raws I see that only a couple things even result in gizzard stones when butchered (mostly bird and bird-like animals, as one would expect, but also alligators). Certainly not supposed to be "everything" so, /shrug.

[Arcvasti]

Why exactly does everything I butcher have a gizzard stone? Everything from wild animals to prisoners to captured invaders have gizzard stones called "<creature name> rock", it's ridiculous. They're filling up my "body(part)s only" stockpiles and I don't know what to do with them because they don't count as bones or actual rocks.

Pretty sure you can encrust things with them in the jewelers shop.

[wrightly678]

I was told by Boltgun that this was fixed. I use the same script that he wrote for the Succubus mode.

This is the way its intended to work, just with non-hostile results. Maybe I'm somehow using an outdated script version?

Hmm, I figured that I should check my version, incase I was out of date.
I'm currently running masterwork 6.2, so unless you've fixed it in a super secret development build, you may have a problem.

I could upload the save somewhere if you'd like?
though I'm not sure how much good it would do.

[LMeire]

Why exactly does everything I butcher have a gizzard stone? Everything from wild animals to prisoners to captured invaders have gizzard stones called "<creature name> rock", it's ridiculous. They're filling up my "body(part)s only" stockpiles and I don't know what to do with them because they don't count as bones or actual rocks.

Pretty sure you can encrust things with them in the jewelers shop.

I tried that first when I saw the name, they weren't on the gems list either. It's just some weird rock that nearly every creature likes to swallow or whatever. Thankfully, I found that they can be burned to ash at a crematory, but without a separate sub-type for the rocks, that runs the risk of burning a useful bodypart.

[Nelia Hawk]

hmm, i wonder if the giant list of "furniture summon" at the ethereal gate is needed?
wouldnt it be possible to shrink it down to just summon colored blocks there, as that special stonecrafter workshop can create everything else then out of 2 summoned rock blocks.
i mean, you get tons of blocks out of nowhere... no need to also get furniture out of nowhere if you can make it from all the blocks or? also would give skeletons and co a little bit more crafting to do.
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if a warlock (was a migrant) has the scribe skill as highest one he is displayed the "crafts profession" icon... and that is a skeleton
well that one doesnt really matter at all though, just a little "oddity" i noticed.

oh speaking of sprites... why is the children sprite a little skeleton? (maybe its a white warlock haha)
well again it doesnt matter what it is... but i guess warlocks can get children (? edit: actually i think they cant, so i guess the children sprite doesnt matter)... and there is no way (i hope?) to get skeleton children as they are just created.
maybe some tiny robed child would work better? (well that might be hard to draw though.. so i guess the skeleton is fine anyways.)

i guess there is no way to have 2 sets of job sprites? one for warlocks and one for skeletons?
i think ghouls (fishing + butcher?) and zombies (just hauling "skill"/nothing) dont really need icons... where skeletons can be trained to skills and warlocks can have some different ones too.
i guess the current mix of warlock and skeleton sprites for jobs (that causes the little skeleton scribe) is probably the "best" possible, so no problem with it.

hmm maybe the skeleton child could be used for skeletons that lost 1+ limbs? i.e. some torso without legs that crawls around? (probably not possible to change sprites based on missing limbs, i.e. ("if entity/skeleton lost 1+ arm or leg, then use gfx of skeleton child/crawling skeleton" or so).
so a changed gfx might make skeletons with lost limbs "easier" to find so you can get them to that one workshop where you can build them together again.
well just a random idea.

but yeah, the sprite gfx stuff doesnt really matter.
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and shouldnt summoned zombies/skeletons start at age 0 or 1? think the zombies i made started at age 15. (i guess its some hardcoded stuff that everything under 15 is considered a child and cant work or so?)
or maybe instead of "age" it could say "created at <fortressdate>" and technically it would give it the "date year" as "internal age" then?
so instead of saying "its a zombie age 15  or 16 or 17 etc" it sais "its a zombie created in summer 63" or "spring 461" or winter "1263".
but i guess then they shouldnt age... or else the creation date would "age" and increase...
well i guess all this would just be too complicated and maybe not even possible atm with df and hardcoded stuff etc... not like the age matters much in anyway.

actually after quickly double checking ingame, it does show when its "born"... but its the "wrong date". all 4 of my zombies (created one after the other over some time) are 15 years old and all born on the same day 1st granite year 88. i guess it just picks a default day/month 15 years ago when the zombie is created and not i.e. the day/month the zombie was created and the year-15.
i guess it would make most sense if it would be the day/month/year of the ingame date as "birth".

but ya again just little details i noticed that dont really matter.
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oh one more little thing:
where do you actually make leather Whip/Flail/Scourge? at least the manual lists them as available a leather, but i still cant find where to craft them. i guess they would be very very early ghoul weapons made out of leather... *shrugs* maybe i just overlook the craft entry in some workshop.

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will keep an eye out if skeletons will go opposed to live at some point when i create some.
but that zombies are civ members now is pretty good (after placing brackets around the intelligent tag)... they dont murder themself in your own traps like before with all the other random raised undeads.

[UXLZ]

i mean, you get tons of blocks out of nowhere... no need to also get furniture out of nowhere if you can make it from all the blocks or?

That may be there to stop you from abusing it and power training the hell out of various crafting skills. I have absolutely no idea though, that's just a theory.